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Irish Catholics Call For Cardinal Law’s Resignation, Following Clergy Abuse Report

U.S. Cardinal Bernard Law, Archpriest of the Papal Liberian Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore, looks on as Pope Benedict XVI recites a Rosary prayer inside the Basilica in Rome in May 2008. (AP)

BOSTON — Ireland’s clergy sex abuse scandal erupted last year after two government-ordered reports documented decades of clergy child abuse and a church cover up of the abuse. Four Irish bishops said they’ll resign for not reporting the abuse. Some in Ireland say another Catholic leader should resign — former Boston Archbishop Cardinal Bernard Law.

“To keep Cardinal Bernard Law in the position he holds would suggest the papacy does not understand the principles of accountability,” said Sean O’Conaill, acting coordinator of Voice of the Faithful in Ireland.

O’Conaill said Pope Benedict XVI is expected to release a pastoral letter to Ireland’s four million Catholics after next week’s meeting with the bishops. But O’Connail said the letter is meaningless if Cardinal Law remains in his Vatican position helping to select new bishops.

“Many people find it difficult to understand why if a person was found to be as wanting in his duties, care for children, as Cardinal Bernard Law was — and that was comparable to what happened in Dublin — we find it difficult to understand why such a man would have been promoted,” O’Connail said. “It seems to us to be symbolically strange that he would have that role at all. What Bernard Law did was endanger the lives and souls of children.”

Cardinal Law came to personify the clergy abuse crisis. He was the first member of the Catholic hierarchy shown to have actively covered up clergy abuse. Immediately after the Boston Globe broke the abuse story in 2002, Law refused to step down. But 11 months later, when priests’ records were released by court order showing that Law took elaborate steps to cover for abusers, he stepped down.

“To all those who have suffered from my shortcomings and my mistakes, I once again apologize and from them I beg forgiveness,” Law said at the time. “During these past 11 months, decisions have been made and policies strengthened which ensure the safety of children as the archdiocese moves forward.”

After leaving Boston, Law was named to the prominent position of archpriest of the St. Mary Major Basilica in Rome. He also serves on several Vatican boards and committees and he participated in the 2005 conclave that elected Pope Benedict. But he hasn’t been seen in Boston since he left.

“You’ll notice when the pope came to Boston last year, all these American Cardinals from Rome came with the Pope on the plane — but not Cardinal Law,” said Father Walter Cuenin, who was among the group of Boston area priests who first called on Law to step down in response to the clergy abuse crisis. “He could not have been on that plane. So in some ways I think even in Rome they recognize it’s a delicate situation.”

Cuenin, now chaplain at Brandeis University, said having Cardinal Law leave his Vatican post now may be a moot point because his age requires that he relinquish some responsibilities this year.

“I think it was difficult for American Catholics in Boston, so I can understand why the Irish Catholics feel that way,” Cuenin explained. “He’s almost 80 years old, so he automatically will be coming off some of those boards. So I can understand their feelings, but I’m not sure it will make much difference in some ways.”

Some Catholics say it’s not fair to continue to point to Cardinal Law.

“There is a particular animus being manifested toward Cardinal Law,” said Deal Hudson, president of Catholic Advocate and director of InsideCatholic.com, two conservative Catholic Web sites. “When you stand back and look across the United States at all the dioceses and the way this scenario was repeated in so many dioceses and in some cases with even higher levels of abuse cases, I don’t think that animus is fair.”

The Boston Archdiocese did not want to comment about Cardinal Law or the Irish bishops meeting. Last month, the archdiocese released the names of three abusive priests with ties to Ireland who worked in Boston. Archdiocese Vicar General The Very Rev. Richard Erikson said the archdiocese continues to work to improve its efforts to prevent and deal with abuse. “The situation in Ireland is affirmation of the commitment of the Archdiocese to never let our guard down,” he said.

Erikson also said the archdiocese recently created two new offices to deal with those affected by clergy abuse and continues to look into ways to be more transparent and release priest records. “We’re actively engaged in looking at what we’re doing regarding disclosure,” he said. And how best to continue that practice or strengthen it.”

An archdiocese spokeswoman said the names of credibly accused priests would be published by the end of the year. Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley said during her Senate campaign that she would call on the Boston Archdiocese to release the names of all priests from Ireland who worked in Boston. She hasn’t commented on when or if she still plans to do that.

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  • John

    “There is a particular animus being manifested toward Cardinal Law,” said Deal Hudson, president of Catholic Advocate and director of InsideCatholic.com, two conservative Catholic Web sites. — It is well-deserved animus. He should he in jail instead of continuing as a prince of the church.

  • Lilee

    I don’t understand why pedophiles who happened to be priests are treated via negotiation rather then simply jailed. It shows the power of the church over state even today. As far as Cardinal Law not being on the plane, I thought he had an outstanding warrant here. (If he doesn’t he should.) That’s why he stays in Rome–he and Whitey.

  • http://snapnetwork.org david clohessy

    It is prudence, not animus, that prompts many to seek Law’s removal. Law clearly, deliberately and repeatedly protected child molesters instead of children. So promoting and tolerating Law just encourages future deceit, callousness and recklessness. Ousting Law, on the other hand, would show that reform is happening within the church hierarchy.

    It has nothing to do with animus toward Law. It has everything to do with protecting kids and deterring wrong-doing.

    David Clohessy, National Director, SNAP-Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, 7234 Arsenal Street, St. Louis MO 63143 (314 566 9790), SNAPnetwork.org

  • Denise Murphy

    The “animus” toward Law is unfair, just because sexual abuse happened elsewhere across the nation? Bernard Law deliberately placed children in harm’s way. The fact that abuse happened elsewhere does not exonerate him for his own culpability. He is not a representative of the God in whom I believe.

  • Gordon Martin

    Cardinal Law has been the only American scapegoat for a centuries old problem of the Catholic church. He should be permitted to remain in exile in peace.

  • http://www.clergysexualabusevictims.com Fr. Jim Moran

    Law should not be the only American member of the hierarchy that resigns — the list is L-O-N-G! Healing of survivors/victims cannot be complete until they (bishops) ALL answer for the inactions of the past!

  • Mitchell Garabedian

    While the leader of the Archdiocese of Boston, Bernard Cardinal Law had five Bishops who were under his supervision. All five Bishops went on to lead Dioceses or Archdioceses in the United States. All five of those Dioceses or Archdiocses allowed peophile priests to sexually molest children.

    The influence of Bernard Cardinal Law was broad and painful.

    Mitchell Garabedian, Attorney

  • Luc Pelletier

    I have very mix feelings on the subject. First of all, his “accounting” for his actions were first under John Paul II, who did nothing to ask for his resignation yet he is pending elevation to sainthood. Secondly, he has no pending indictments or warrants in any jurisdictions of the US. Third of all,he’s nearing eighty, on November 4, 2011, when he will loose even his right to vote in a papal election, and probably have to resign from all other offices he holds except for them title of cardinal and archbishop0 emeritus of Boston. Let his die in obscurity and in exile. Believe me, that’s punishment

  • Michael from NYC

    Aiding and abetting sex offenders makes him an accessory to their crimes. Actively “covering up” these sex crimes against children- obstructing law enforcement investigations. Conspiracy and perjury. Why is he not prosecuted as a sex offender? Is he any better than Roman Polanski? Where is the man-hunt to bring this animal to justice? He actively enabled child rapists to continue to commit their crimes. A fine example of the mission of the church and church leadership.

  • SISTER MAUREEN PAUL TURLISH

    The pope needs to address the toxic atmosphere of Clericalism which is responsible for all of the flawed thinking and behavior that caused this to happen. While excluding bishops, the pope talks about the actions of those priests who have been guilty of sexually abusing children but he has never once addressed the reality of complicit bishops let alone held them accountable for what has happened.

  • SISTER MAUREEN PAUL TURLISH

    The institutional Roman Catholic Church can hire as many qualified individuals like Mark Dunderdale as it cares to but unless or until it admits to the complicity of leadership, rids itself of those in the hierarchy who were complicit in the enabling and protection of those convicted, known or credibly accused sexual predators it will rightly be perceived as just so much more PR spin.

    There is no reason to think that Dunderdale is anything less then qualified, ‘a great person, a wonderful Catholic, husband and father, but it doesn’t make much sense if he has to answer to some of the very same individuals who were part of the problem in the first place does it? I wish he well and I suggest, if he hasn’t already, that he get in touch with the people at http://www.napsac.us which is the National Association to Prevent Sexual Abuse of Children and http://www.nationalcac.org which is the National Children’s Advocacy Center. Keep in mind that Clericalism is still very much alive and well especially among the episcopal ranks.

    There are complicit individuals like McCormack and Murphy, as well as others, who were auxiliaries in Boston who now head their own dioceses. Does that make sense? Why weren’t they removed from their offices in Boston instead of being elevated to their own dioceses?

    Of course the problem isn’t unique to Boston. The same scenario has been played out in dioceses across the country with individuals who covered up for offending priests while threatening and intimidating victims and their families now in leadership positions in the church.

    Much more has to be done in addressing the underlying malaise before credibility and faith are restored. Installing Bernard Law in the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome does not instill much credibility.
    Many Catholics still hold out hope that Pope Benedict will give some indication that he really gets it even though he has known about it for decades given his former position before being elected pope.

  • Mike M

    They won’t fire him and he will never resign, they will just move him like they did the pedophiles. He’s no better than they are, piece of human excrement hiding behind his holy robes.

  • Carolyn Disco

    Conservative blogger Deal Hudson’s opinions should have no credibility, especially when it comes to sexual abuse, a subject he is personally familiar with. Fordham University paid a $30,000 settlement and ended his tenured position for sexual misconduct.

    He took advantage of a drunken, troubled student, when the power differential was obvious: a 44-year-old faculty leader with a vulnerable 18-year old. Parsing the definition of rape to exclude Hudson’s actions takes his version of consent to breathtaking levels. When this came to light years later, he also lost his position as editor of Crisis Magazine. Meanwhile, additional accusations had come to the attention of the board at Crisis and “this was not about one incident 10 years ago.” (WTimes)

    See the full story in National Catholic Reporter at http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2004c/082704/082704i.php and in the Washington Times at http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040921-114801-5122r.htm

    Having since turned to blogging, he still gets quoted. I hope it is out of ignorance by WBUR’s reporter. As for Hudson judging what’s fair for Bernard Law, that’s a dismal choice. I suggest people consult survivors who endured the effects of Law’s failed leadership instead.

  • tony s

    where does one go to read the reports out of ireland relative to the clergy sex abuse scandal??

  • tony s

    michael garabedian is like all lawyers he dunno how two spelt

  • Richard

    Sister, it seems for you and your graying peers,it is all about the male and female thing,I personally agre that Cd.Law should not have beengiven the job he was assigned but what about the dear women religious here in the U.S.(Sisters of Charity of Nazereth for one group) of the Sisters of Mercy in Ireland,they are not males. I also find it interesting in such a male dominated church theses sisters were able to pull over a hundred million dollars out of their vow of poverty jar.
    Give us break, the abuse is wrong,immoral,illegal and yes sinful .

  • Thomas

    Cd.Law,from an objective reading of thousands of pages of documennts was not the real person guilty of the massive cover-up in Boston,it was John McCormick,Law’s biggest sin was not being a good manager and surrounding himself with the real criminals,Mc. Msgr. Ryan

  • Victoria Martin

    When it was discovered that Cardinal Bernard (“Call Me Bernie”) Law had, for years, protected and enabled pedophile and sexually predatory Roman Catholic Priests in the Diocese of Boston, many outrated Catholics thought that he would be either face criminal prosecution; or, at the least, be banished by the Holy Father to some grim monastery to live out the rest of his life in prayer and penance. It just shows how foolish we Catholics were/are. We were raised to believe that if one commits sacrilege, and when that sacrilege is discovered, then one is punished accordingly. At the time the news of the Boston Scandals broke, I remember watching a television interview with a priest from the Vatican Office of Public Relations. He was asked if Bernard Law would be punished for his failures and indifference to such terrible crimes; or at least demoted from his exalted title of Prince Archbishop. The PR Priest’s Answer? “Certainly not! You can’t simply ‘UnBishop A Bishop’!” Perhaps, in Canon Law, this is true, however, must we honor these Criminal Catholic Church Leaders by letting them continue to receive the best foods, wines, cigars, residences and to hold positions as pastors of basilicas, with all the wealth and power that goes with such positions? What we’ve learned from this story of Bernie Law is that our once ancient and honorable faith is morally bankrupt and that the leaders of our church are frauds. Lesson Learned. Don’t Give These Criminals Another Dime!!!!

  • http://SNAP Thomas J Kennedy

    He is the biggest offender of hiding these men,all sick sick people,The ‘church’ better wake up soon,as people are going more and more to other and more up to date churches,Like the honest priest said the list is L O N G ,I know of many people who have suffered trajically because of these sicko’s

  • Bill

    The most disturbing part of this article is this part of Deal Hudson’s statement:

    “… ‘When you stand back and look across the United
    States at all the dioceses and the way this scenario
    was repeated in so many dioceses and in some cases
    with even higher levels of abuse cases, I don’t think
    that animus is fair.’ ”

    What’s not fair, Mr. Hudson, is that a criminal facilitator is still employed – in a position of power – in an organization that claims to deplore the very actions he helped to hide, that he allowed to continue.

    What’s not fair, Mr. Hudson, is that any of those like Law who facilitated this abuse are not also called out and still employed.

    What’s not fair, Mr. Hudson, are the actions of apologists who continue to act like Law is the victim.

  • Richard H. Kosinski

    For the Pope not hold accountable Law and the other bishops who covered up child sexual abuse exemplifies how dysfunctional is the present day Roman Catholic Church.

  • Helen McGonigle

    In addition to participating in the cover-up of the clergy abuse scandal in the Boston Archdiocese, it was just revealed that Cardinal Law granted faculties to one of Ireland’s most notorious clergy child molestors, Fr. Brendan Smyth, in August 1991 when only days before the decision was made to prosecute Smyth in Northern Ireland. Where is the justice when Cardinal Law sits on the Vatican’s Congregation of Bishops, meaning the committee which will select the new bishops to replace the 4 that resigned in Ireland, when Cardinal Law granted faculties to a fugitive from justice? Fr. Smyth was eventually convicted on a total of 91 counts of child molestation in Northern Ireland and the Republic. Authorities in Northern Ireland had difficulty located Smyth because he was hiding in locations like the Boston Archdiocese. Cardinal Law’s resigation is long overdue. Helen McGonigle

  • Doug Carr

    How can any Catholic be surprised by this latest revelation? 2/3 of the Cardinals committed crimes by aiding and abetting pedophiles and then covering it up for decades. Cardinal (above the) Law should be in an orange jumpsuit behind bars for the rest of his life instead of living like a prince in one of Rome’s most prestigious churches. All Catholics with any sense of outrage should leave the Church, withold ever giving $$ put the morally bankrupt Catholic Church into financial bankruptcy.

  • LEO MCGRATH

    WHY HAS MARTHA COAKLEY NEVER BEEN CALLED TO TASK FOR ALLOWING BERNIE LAW TO ESCAPE TO ITALY WITH HIS PERSONAL FORTUNE INTACT???? MAYBE SHE DIDN’T WANT TO ALIENATE THE CATHOLIC VOTE?????

  • Gale Merseth

    Bernard Law, like all other successful bureaucratic infighters, rose to the top of the Catholic Church precisely because he was so good at protecting the wealth and power of the Church without regard for the wellbeing of the innocent congregants who put their faith in the clergy who betrayed them. This scandal was never about doing the right thing; it was always about protecting the bureaucracy of the Church. Shame on Cardinal Law, on the abusers he protected, and on the Church leaders up to and including the Popes who protected them all. They will burn in Hell for it.

  • John Hostage

    ‘His Eminence’ should have been sent to a monastery to repent and reflect, rather than being one of five Cardinals concelebrating John Paul’s mass, and certainly not having a voice in the appointment of American bishops.

  • Lorenzo-NY

    Bernard Law’s golden parachute in Rome at Santa Maria Maggiore remains one of the biggest scandals in this whole sordid mess. This honorific position at a Roman bascilica with a fat $200,000 purse is an insult to Americans Catholics as a whole and especially to victims of abuse.
    At least the offending Irish bishops were made to resign. Not one American bishop, except Law-less, resigned or was removed because of reassigning pedophile priests. None of Law’s lieutenants/auxilliaries who aided in the cover ups were called to justice. None had the decency to admit their mistakes which harmed innocent children. Several have retired quietly, at least one remains on an episcopal throne, John McCormack in New Hampshire. It is a disgrace and casts a shadow over the credibility of the entire body of American bishops.
    Let’s hope that the righteous anger of the Irish Church will force the pope to face the Law-less issue and give us all an explanation.
    And by the way, let’s not forget that ever since his demise in Boston, Law-less has been on the Roman curial congregation that appoints bishops all over the world and on American appointees especially. Isn’t that scary?
    As far as Deal Hudson is concerned, why should anyone listen to anything this holier then thou fraud has to say after his own sexploits at Fordham? Why would WBUR even want to cite such a discredited source? Deal Hudson should be wearing sackcloth and ashes, or perhaps leg irons.

  • Victoria Martin

    OH, I don’t think it’s too late to punish Bernie Law for his Criminally Depraved Indifference. Stick him in that cold monastery in the middle of nowhere, lock him in a cell and slip his bread and water through a slot in the door. When the food doesn’t disappear, we’ll know he’s no longer living and has gone to the place in which he belongs. Can you guess what that place is called?

  • ogden lafaye

    In 300 years the RCC will refer to these times as one in which the church was falsely and malignantly attacked by atheists, non-believers, government and Satanic enemies of Christianity. “Against a massive effort to discredit the piety and chasteness of the clergy with accusations of heinous crimes, the church and her followers fought a protracted battle against this evil… eventually triumphing in the name of Jesus and to the greater glory of the mother church.”

  • http://ccassociatesnshore.com charlene carrier

    The sad point: The amount of sexual misconduct acted out
    among some of the priests was ignored by some of their peers. Positive note: Cardinal Law has been exiled/banished from our back yard…move on . C C

  • cast off with my anchor

    Well, I choose leaders I follow!

  • cast off with my anchor

    I left the Catholic religion years ago, at 13. No physical abuse on me, myself. But a creepy feeling from more than one priest, dire diagnoses in the confessional to a 6 year old (presuming I was 40?) that had nothing to do with knowing me or my innocent childish exploit.
    I value mentors who care about children, understand and respect and cultivate their own healthy boundaries, and who would never consider using the threat of death or other horrific, even if unnamed, consequences to terrify children or any other vulnerable souls.
    I have faith in that which is life affirming and supports me to connect with myself, love myself and from there, have something to give to, and to extend to others–ever renewing myself and reconnecting to those who I personally experience are healthy for me to connect to.
    Put your money where your heart is!
    Maybe it comes down to, after all of these years, that the Catholic Pope is no more the transducer of GOD than any other man, just the learned, devoted man another group of l, d men picked. Apparantly heart and soul are not necessarily required.

  • J

    If a school teacher sexually abused a child and the school administrator knew about it – but covered it up and moved the teacher to another school – that administrator would surely be sent to jail when the crime was exposed. So why isn’t Bernie in jail?

  • SISTER MAUREEN PAUL TURLISH

    A poster asked: “where does one go to read the reports out of ireland relative to the clergy sex abuse scandal??”

    A good place to start would be the ABUSE TRACKER found at:

    http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker

    which is part of the BISHOP ACCOUNTABILITY website at:

    http://www.bishopaccountability.org

    Another place is Ireland’s VOICE OF THE FAITHFUL at:

    http://www.votfi.com

  • http://SNAPnetwork.org Mary Caplan SNAP New York

    It evokes a profound sense of sadness when survivors of childhood clergy abuse see those who did not do all within their power to stop the hurt and damage of sexual abuse be rewarded for thier silence. And it furthers brings a sense of fear and concern that the church continues to protect and reward those within their institution while ignoring an atmosphere that continues to endanger children today.
    Law is symbolic of the institution’s response. And we can not and should not remain silent. This is not animus but rather an appropriate response toward the need to protect children.

  • Tomassotucson

    Failing to do the right thing has been the downfall of our bishops. Failing to do the right thing will also be the downfall of the Pope if he still hasn’t gotten the message from above. He has to clean house, nothing short of getting rid of Bernie and all the bishops, everywhere, that were involved in the cover up will prove that he means what he says. He just can not continue to believe that things will just blow over. None of us will ever live that long. Bishop’s will never do the right thing and resign. Why should they, they believe that they were just doing what they were expected to do. They are all criminals and to allow them to simply resign or retire is too good for them when they all should be in jail.

  • Gerald B. Curtis

    “To keep Cardinal Bernard Law in the position he holds would suggest the papacy does not understand the principles of accountability,” said Sean O’Conaill, acting coordinator of Voice of the Faithful in Ireland.

    O’Conaill said Pope Benedict XVI is expected to release a pastoral letter to Ireland’s four million Catholics after next week’s meeting with the bishops. But O’Connail said the letter is meaningless if Cardinal Law remains in his Vatican position helping to select new bishops.

    While Cardinal Law definitely should go, the entity who fails to understand child abuse is the Pope. Perhaps it is time for a voluntary departure of another member of the Old Boy’s Club.

  • Kay Goodnow

    So, having perpetrated the world’s greatest hoax since the dawm of time, it’s time for this church, and all of organized religion, to sit back and watch the flock disappear. I’m gone because of 0-credibility.

  • ogden lafaye

    Prosecutions must be stepped up to the Vatican level…Where are the RICO laws now that we need them. The Roman Catholic Church is a documented criminal enterprise. We need an organization to start accumulating the “paper trail” with prosecution from the pope on down its goal.

  • Deb Garcia

    The fact that Cardinal Law has a legitimate role in the church will continue to be a sticking point for Boston Catholics until he is asked to step down. It makes the church look absolutely ridiculous and honestly, they have no right to complain about who gets communion if they let this guy say mass and give out communion. Honestly, we must be realistic and just about this. Have him step down and let the festering wound finally heal. I know God forgives but people and institutions take much longer. Cardinal Law has no business as a cardinal anymore and I know there’s a priest shortage but people have to be willing to take responsibility if they mess up this badly. Hiding wrongdoing is eroding the fabric of our country. I hope the church will wakeup and really face these crimes and repair their systemic problems and be an example for the rest of the world. Otherwise, Catholicism is going to be a toleration and not an inspiration.

  • http://inthekitchenwithdon.blogspot.com Don

    I knew Cardinal Law back when he was bishop of Springfield-Cape Girardeau in Missouri. Even then he was protected priests in trouble, although that didn’t come out until the mess in Boston was exposed. I myself am a survivor of clergy abuse in another diocese (Davenport) and the bishop there was another Law, hiding priests, lying about doing something to stop the abuse, covering up multiple crimes. Luckily for him, he died before all the crimes came to light. Yes, Law should be removed from office. I would prefer seeing him stand trial for his crimes, but if that can’t be, a cold dank monastery cell would be second best. What US Catholics can do is to stop supporting the abusers. Don’t give money to the Roman Catholic Church and especially don’t give to Peter’s Pence, which goes directly to Rome. If your pastor asks why, tell him or better yet, write your bishop directly and tell him why. Let the hierarchy know that the laity won’t accept the lies, denials and hiding of abusers any longer. We are the only ones who can change this, as we have seen that Rome won’t do it on her own.

  • Laura

    I just wonder why all those people even voting for candidates who are “pro-choice” are threatened with excommunication while this Cardinal whose lack of good leadership made the terrible abusing of minors possible just carries on with celebrating the Mass and receiving Communion?
    It is very unfair to demand something from the laity but not from bishops.

  • Geo Caley

    Who will protect the protector of the protectors of pedophile priests? … Soon will the crowds shout “subito santo”! as the one before him!

  • Bob Gunther

    I was always proud to be Catlolic would defend the Church .How can I DEFEND A CHURCH THAT PROMOTES BISHOPS LIKE MURPHY BISHOP OF RVC and Cardnal Law Screw up and move up.It is sad that the young do not attend Mass they dont trust the old boys club . The Churcl will not heal until the Pope cleans house!!!!!!

  • Shannon Rose

    Wasn’t the Pope “generous” in his statement that raping kids is a “henious crime” and it might be attributed to lack of faith, respect for life or whatever? Really!
    Two thousand years ago the man, whose footsteps he follows, told the mill stone story which we all learned in school. Did he mean that was only meant for the laity but it was O.K for the pastoral leadership, once they didn’t get caught? Tell me another story, Father!

  • Stephen Gilfedder

    This man is a bafoon and should lose his status in the church as well as the pope who is spineless and ineffective.They are going to cause the calapse of the catholic church as we know it.Thier are three people in life that you will meet.people that make things happen,people that watch things happen,people that wonder what the f happened.

  • Katie Murphy – ex cath

    Just remember: this is the church that has maniacally denied gay people their rights, and led the fight to end gay marriage in Calif and Maine.

    Their whole game is to scapegoat others, to hide their high crimes.

    If you Google “Catholic church abuse – australia” you’ll actually find that abuse has gone on all over the catholic world. Australia, Austria, Ireland, USA, Canada, etc etc etc.

    The church is actually an evil octopus from the past. BTW, it has yet to excommunicate the man who was born Catholic and Baptised catholic in Austria in 1888. For whom 50 million died in WWII

    Justice would only be the end of the church, and its assets sold to pay off the victims.

    And I’m not done -its almost incomprehensible. Last year the German Pope UNexcommunicated a Bishop Williamson. To bring his 600,000 followers back into the church. Williamson is a Holocaust denier / minimizer.

    At least Argentina, where he was living, threw him out of the country.

    To all those good catholics who believe in Jesus message of God’s love for all HIS creation, you should leave the church, or at least no longer contribute to it.

    For God will Judge you, and I’m willing to bet that judgment will include whose company you keep.

  • Katie Murphy – ex cath

    “The Church will not heal until the Pope cleans house!!!!!!”

    See my previous post. This Pope won’t clean house. And I don’t think there is any way to remove him. And it isnt just the Pope. This kind of problem and worse has gone on since the beginning of the church. The rot is probably throughout the hierarchy, and the good priests know that to oppose the church means they are out on the street.
    Consider……..
    The 900 to 1500 AD crusades against the Muslim people. As many as 50 million died for those whose cross was the handle of their swords. No wonder they hate us.

    The Inquistion. An estimated upwards of 90000 were tortured and murdered, including reformist priests, Jews etc for saying the pope was wrong,eg the earth was not the center of the universe, etc.

    The 1000 years or more of Witch trials. Women burned at the stake for being a witch per the words of eg a neighbor. The church and the accuser split the deceased properties. Women of course, were by far second class citizens in the church, and still cannot be priests. BTW, maybe there would be a lot less abuse if the priesthood was female only.

    And I mentioned Hitler, whose election as Germany’s chancellor was successful because he made Jesus own people, the Jews, the scapegoat. Utilizing the long long hatred of the Jews in European society, a product of the church.
    We can’t remove the pope. But we can remove ourselves

  • Mary Carrell

    Cast off with my anchor said:
    “dire diagnoses in the confessional to a 6 year old (presuming I was 40?) that had nothing to do with knowing me or my innocent childish exploit.”

    Really now? Like most of these posts, I am sure you are just an antiCatholic taking advantage of this terrible scandal perpertrated by some priests to bash the Church of Jesus Christ. You are no former Catholic. If you were you would know that no six year old ever goes to confession. BUSTED!!! (BTW the John Jay study says more than 98% of priests are not deviant sexual perverts which is a better percentage than Protestant clergy who have more sexual deviancy than Catholic clergy percentage wise.)

  • Jerry

    Out of all the thousands of children who were abused, does anyone know of ONE priest who called the local police to report the crime? Even ONE? I don’t see any.

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