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Poll: Warren’s Heritage Matters To Key Voters

BOSTON — With the Democratic convention behind her, Elizabeth Warren can now turn her full attention to defeating her Republican opponent, U.S. Sen. Scott Brown. But according to a new poll, Warren’s handling of the question of her Native American heritage could still dog her.

In order to win this election in a state with relatively few Republicans, Sen. Brown has to win independent voters, and he has to win over some Democrats, too, as he did in 2010 against Martha Coakley. According to a poll conducted for The Boston Globe by the University of New Hampshire, Warren listing herself as Native American matters to those voters.

Andrew Smith prepared the survey and found that 43 percent of Democrats and 48 percent of independents who said they’re going to vote for Brown say the issue surrounding Warren’s heritage makes them less likely to vote for Warren.

“So among those people… this issue is having an impact,” Smith said. “It’s having an impact early on in the campaign when the Warren campaign really wants to be talking about economic issues.”

Gaining Ground

But according to another poll conducted last week by Western New England University, Warren is gaining on Sen. Brown. Tim Vercellotti, who oversaw the poll, says it looks like Harvard University’s touting of Warren as a Native American law professor is not an issue most voters care about.

“If this is having an effect, it’s really on the margins,” Vercellotti said. “Now, having said that, Warren’s favorability went up 4 points. Her unfavorability went up 10. So something’s happening.”

Trying To Change Course

Warren has not been able to make the campaign about economic issues, such as whether Brown worked to water down regulations of financial firms. That’s because she has not dealt decisively with questions about when and why she listed herself as Native American.

Republican political consultant Jeff Stinson says up to now, Warren has mishandled this issue.

“At one point, you have to understand that people want an answer to a question, and you have to provide that answer, and then unfortunately, once you don’t provide an answer clearly and concisely, what tends to happen is the issue grows and grows beyond your control, and that’s really what’s happened here,” Stinson said.

Republican political consultant Rob Gray says Warren has effectively handed Brown an issue for the rest of the campaign.

“They could go at her now probably in a lighthearted and funny kind of way on this Indian issue, so it gives him some potential there where he was going to have a hard time finding ammo,” Gray said. “He was probably grasping at straws a bit and now, there is an issue out there.”

Democratic political consultant Dan Payne agreed.

“It’s been handled so badly up to this point, but if I were giving her advice, I’d say just refuse to talk about it,” Payne said.

And Monday, that is what Warren did. She declined a request to speak to WBUR’s Radio Boston unless the show agreed to talk only about Brown’s position on financial regulations.

The incorrect audio was originally attached to this post. The audio has been updated to reflect this report.

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  • Geneaologist

    As a WBUR member, I am pretty surprised by the one-sided coverage of Dr. Warren’s heritage. I don’t remember the same coverage of Senator Brown’s downloaded image of Osama Bin Laden from the internet, his complaint about news services leaking his reserve duty in Iraq that he himself revealed, the begging for money from the Koch brothers, or asking reporters how they would improve the Dodd-Frank financial regulations bill because he didn’t know how to make it better. However, if you think I am too partisan, ask this question: how many members of the WBUR staff can produce, within a week, a document proving the origins of any great-grandparent?  If the answer is none, then perhaps your coverage should reflect the stupidity of asking Dr. Warren to produce proof.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      I don’t believe that the issue is Warren’s heritage. There is no reason to doubt her. The issue is why she won’t ask Harvard to release all the documents pertaining to her hiring.

      • janesoutham

        Also, she could just take a DNA test and settle the heritage issue once and for all.

        • J__o__h__n

          Not really: 
          But it’s impossible to come up with a meaningful rate of Native American heritage using DNA tests, at least for the moment. Using genetic material from the mitochondria (which is passed from mother to child) and from the Y-chromosome (passed from father to son), it’s possible to trace ancestral origins along the male and female lines that run down each side of a person’s family tree—his mother’s mother’s mother, his father’s father’s father, and so on. But progenitors anywhere in the middle, which constitute the overwhelming majority of a person’s ancestry, are harder to trace, especially as the tree broadens. Geneticists are constantly improving their odds by identifying more telltale sequences that might survive the reshuffling across multiple generations, but the science is still young.

          The weakness of the genetic tests poses an even bigger problem when you’re looking for Native American ancestors. Native Americans have been reluctant to participate in genetic testing, which means scientists don’t have many reliable markers for that population. In addition, the genetic profiles that have been conducted show that many card-carrying members of certain tribes, such as the Cherokee, have more European ancestors than Native American ancestors. That means even the small number of Native American genetic markers we know of aren’t present in large segments of the population, making it difficult to find evidence of Native American DNA in people like Elizabeth Warren. That’s part of the reason that most Native American tribes have resisted using ancestral genetic analyses to determine membership. Tribal membership has more to do with the culture and location of one’s ancestors than precisely how many of their relatives can be traced back to the Bering land bridge.
          http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/05/elizabeth_warren_says_she_s_1_32nd_native_american_how_many_people_have_that_heritage_.html

          • J__o__h__n

            And do we want to subject candidates to DNA analysis?  So much for small government. 

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            She started it. That’s on her, and no one else.

            If she and her group can’t take the heat — get out and let an adult take over.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Gee, if they are no good, then she should just take one and blast it as no good, shouldn’t she?

            Oh — and why hasn’t she visited the old reservations? What’s she afraid of?

            Looking forward to a lot more investigation work, into this obvious mess.

      • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

        Sir,

        Try that on the MALE American Indian law professors trying to find a job in a hyper-competitive market.
           Ms. Warren (she is not a “doctor”) obviously gamed the system to push-by male American Indians.
           To claim otherwise is to believe in fairy tales. And she has NEVER met with RESERVATION-born American Indians/Alaskan Natives. Why?

        And her alleged “research?” According to the NYTimes, also highly questionable –

        http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

        ” .. Last summer, Harvard researchers (Warren) published a headline-grabbing paper that concluded that illness or medical bills contributed to 62 percent of bankruptcies in 2007, up from about half in 2001. More than three-fourths of those with medical debt had health insurance.
           ”But the researchers’ methodology has been criticized as defining medical bankruptcy too broadly and for the ideological leanings of its authors, some of whom are outspoken advocates for nationalized health care ..”
          Taxpayers will pay for her “research” for decades. And perhaps with their lives.

        Ms. Warren, you are done. From this day forward, 1/32nd will be your surname. Step aside for someone else. Help Harvard and Penn answer the federal questions about the documents you filed as an “American Indian.”

      • J__o__h__n

        This is the current reason offered to drag this out?  Past justifications have been her poor response makes it an issue.  Then whether it was an issue or not.  What will it be when this goes on next week?  and the next . . .

        • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

          Oh, don’t worry — Harvard and Penn have their hands full, just with this mess. 

          It will last for months, because in the end, they care about themselves, not her.

    • AnitaC1040

      Bravo, couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

      She’s not a “doctor.” 

      She doesn’t have anything to do with medicine, except to screw things up. Per NYTimes –http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4″ .. Last summer, Harvard researchers (Warren) published a headline-grabbing paper that concluded that illness or medical bills contributed to 62 percent of bankruptcies in 2007, up from about half in 2001. More than three-fourths of those with medical debt had health insurance.
      “But the researchers’ methodology has been criticized as defining medical bankruptcy too broadly and for the ideological leanings of its authors, some of whom are outspoken advocates for nationalized health care ..”
      Taxpayers will pay for her “research” for decades. And perhaps with their lives.

  • J__o__h__n

    “Andrew Smith prepared the survey and found that 43 percent of Democrats and 48 percent of independents who said they’re going to vote for Brown say the issue surrounding Warren’s heritage makes them less likely to vote for Warren.”

    – How are voters who “said they’re going to vote for Brown” key voters? 

    If they are Brown voters, they would tend to be less likely to vote for Warren by definition.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      You raise a good point about causality. There is no way of knowing whether those people were already for Brown, and then said the issue of Warren’s ancestry bothers them, or whether the issue drove them to Brown. 

      They are key voters because Brown needs Democrats and independents in order to win.

      • J__o__h__n

        72% of voters who were recently polled said this wasn’t an issue.  I would infer that the Brown supporters weren’t going to vote for her prior to this non-story as there isn’t a significant part of the electorate for whom this is a factor. 

      • J__o__h__n

        Perhaps ambiguous “key” shouldn’t have been used (especially in the headline) as I would interpret it to mean undecided not Scott Brown supporters. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/sailhardy Herb Yood

    Good thing the President never nominated her for the consumer protection agency.  I’d hate to think what a vengeful intemperate person like her might do in such a postion.  Vengeful?  I am only guessing, but this episode re her native American listing, is not something she is likely to forgive any time soon.  And the trap she gave Scot Brown is immense.  She will be asked her position on affirmative action and the boosts it gives some people.  No matter how she answers that one, she will look bad, given her history.  The culprit in this episode is unhappily Elizabeth Warren herself.

  • J__o__h__n

    “She declined a request to speak to WBUR’s Radio Boston unless the show agreed to talk only about Scott Brown’s position on financial regulations.”

    – She went on Radio Boston to discuss this on Friday.  Time to cover another aspect of this race.

  • Dorand

    So almost 50% of people who are going to vote for Scott brown already said an issue they have kind of heard about makes it less likely they will vote for the woman they already weren’t voting for. Isn’t this just confirmation bias?

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      It could well be. There’s no way of determining the causality.

      • Dorand

        Fair enough.

  • Jim

    I think Democrats often expect our candidate to be perfect in all ways. When there is the slightest question, no matter how peripheral and unimportant, we act like disappointed children. If Elizabeth Warren, or Harvard, played up her Native American heritage for any reason, so what? Our current racial climate is still influenced by the absurd one-drop rule. Artificial furors such as this may help lay trivial differences to rest. Meanwhile, let’s support Elizabeth Warren because she is the right person for the job.  

    • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

      It’s a long way to Nov. No telling, what new records will appear.

      If she and her crew can’t take the heat, she should quit for someone better.

  • AnitaC1040

    I don’t understand why you keep talking about this. Last week she said her mother was part Cherekee and part some other Indian tribe. Why doesn’t your research staff just document her mother’s heritage and be done with it. This isn’t even an issue with me. I am more impressed with her views on banks and the consumer financial watch dog group. She is an amazing woman with an in depth grasp of these issues. Please focus on the issues instead of personal attacks. I really am surprised that WBUR would repeat this loathsome hatchet job the wealthy, well connected bankers are doing to her. But it was to be expected that they would troll for any dirt on her. As the opposition said, they couldn’t find anything wrong with Warren before this. You are blindly following the exact line the Republicans in Congress are following when they blocked her nomination, for no good reason except their wealthy campaign donors were afraid of her.  As far as I am concerned she is the only person trying to protect the consumer/ordinary American citizen. Why don’t you focus on Browns campaign donors who are from NY and are probably the same people who are financially preying on the rest of us. Just look at the way Brown votes for Wall Street and against the rest of us.  Give it a rest or produce proof.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      The issue is not her ancestry. The only unanswered question for Warren appears to be why she won’t ask Harvard to release all the documents relating to her hiring. 

      • AnitaC1040

        Oh God, another “birther” crowd issue. Here he go again. In the absent of real political coverage we get Tabloid inuendos.

      • AnitaC1040

        So what you are saying is that you are a “Birther”!   ”Show us the documents!!!!” Give me a break!  Ugh, I am sick of you all. Let’s talk about her platform, her previous work in the finance world. I am sick of your pretend outrage. Stick to issues. Have you even been following her work? That is what we should be focused on. I don’t care about anyone’s personal life. It is how they will vote once they get into office that I care about. No wonder we can’t get good people to serve when everyone has to go through a microscope as the opposition trolls for every little detail of someone’s personal life. Grow up! This isn’t even a Dem vs R debate, this is about her work in financial consumer protection. I would have voted for her no matter what party whe was in, just based on her previous experience and backgound in the financial field.

        • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys
          • AnitaC1040

            One story on April 23rd vs how many times you have brought up this non issue?  That April issue didn’t even get to her views on Wall Street deregulations. Her warnings about what was going on. Or her testimony to Congress. Or what exactly she has done and said about banks and Wall Street. Do you even know? It doesn’t seem that way. If you do know please put out a more in depth story of her, which covers these essential points. In view of the Wall Street banking crises and world wide economic collapse, her warnings about deregulation would inform the public on what she really is about. Don’t be lazy.

          • TJtruthandjustice

            This isn’t an issue related to Warren’s “personal life.”   She won tenure from the nation’s most prestigious law school after falsely claiming to be a minority. And then she hemmed and hawed and records continue to remain sealed. Sorry to break the news to you, but that’s a pretty big deal.  The problem with the Democratic Party is that folks seem to think that if loyal Democrats can convince themselves that this is a non-issue, then Independents and Republicans will follow. Seriously, what if a Republican candidate did this?  What would you say then?  By the way,  I’m a Democrat. If you don’t believe me, read my other comments on Disqus.

          • AnitaC1040

            I am sorry but Scott Brown has already sold his soul. I say get the ba$tard out of office. I don’t care what Warren has done, she could be a drunk,  a cheating wife or whatever you don’t admire in another human being. It doesn’t matter. This is the single biggest issue of my lifetime and unless we get leaders in there who are willing to take these people on, then we as a nation should just resign ourselves to being a 3rd rate country.  Scott Brown has already proven to us that he can be bought. He is a lost cause, now. Warren on the other hand is itching for a fight. I say, “have at it!” Give her a chance and if she proves unworthy vote her out. (That Marrissa women who would have been her challenger in the Primary also looks like she is itching for a fight. We can always vote for her next time around.)  How many other politicians even want to take on this issue? They are all $hitting in their pants, afraid to cross the bankers.  Humans are not perfect, I am old anough to know this. Waiting for Mr or Mrs Perfect to come along shows me how naive you are. If you truly are a Democrat, why is it that the Dems are always apologizing when one of theirs isn’t perfect. And yet I don’t see that in the Rs. Hell no, they embrace their people, they clapped for Vitters, R-Louisiana, when he came back to Congress. That is what the Dems need to be like. Stop with the weak kneed spineless behavior and get in there as a group and fight like hell. This circular firing sqaud has got to stop. I remember when Bush was in office and some Congressman made a remark that referenced Nazis. Well didn’t the Dems make him go on the Floor and apologize. Yet I hear Rs use the term all the time now, in reference to Obama. I don’t see their side reprimanding their people and making them apologize on the floor. If you don’t want to fight. Sit down and let the rest of us in there. You are useless.

            This is an excerpt from Charles Fergason’s new book. “Starting around 1980, American society began to undergo a series of deep shifts. Deregulation, weakened antitrust enforcement, and technological changes led to increasing concentration of industry and finance. Money began to play a larger and more corrupting role in politics. America fell behind other nations in education, in infrastructure, an…d in the performance of many of its major industries. Inequality increased. As a result of these and other changes, America was turning into a rigged game—a society that denies opportunity to those who are not born into wealthy families, one that resembles a third-world dictatorship more than an advanced democracy. The “Occupy Wall Street” protests that began in New York in September 2011, and then rapidly spread around America and the world, were initially somewhat unclear in their goals. But the protesters were deeply right about one thing: over the last thirty years, the United States has been taken over by an amoral financial oligarchy, and the American dream of opportunity, education, and upward mobility is now largely confined to the top few percent of the population. Federal policy is increasingly dictated by the wealthy, by the financial sector, and by powerful (though sometimes badly mismanaged) industries such as telecommunications, health care, automobiles, and energy. These policies are implemented and praised by these groups’ willing servants, namely the increasingly bought-and-paid-for leadership of America’s political parties, academia, and lobbying industry. If allowed to continue, this process will turn the United States into a declining, unfair society with an impoverished, angry, uneducated population under the control of a small, ultrawealthy elite. Such a society would be not only immoral but also eventually unstable, dangerously ripe for religious and political extremism.”

          • TJtruthandjustice

            I agree with just about everything you say.  I want Scott Brown out of office, too. I think he’s beholden to Wall Street, just as most of the Democratic Party and the president are beholden to Wall Street.

            The problem with your math is that this election won’t be decided by Democrats. It will be decided by unenrolled voters, who make up more than 50 percent of the electorate in Massachusetts.

            The Democrats are spoonfeeding a too-good-to-be-true issue to the Republicans with a damaged candidate who they are trying desperately to convince themselves is still viable.

            The problem is this: they are preaching to the choir.

            “Senate Candidate Falsely Claims Minority Status while Professor at Harvard, Wins Tenured Faculty Position”

            Tom Wolfe couldn’t design a more brutal headline than that. Truth is stranger than fiction, indeed.

            There is something very wrong with the Democratic Party in Massachusetts. First Martha Coakley, and now this.

          • AnitaC1040

            I am one of those Unenrolled voter (as is my husband), have been since I was 18 years old. It is the Rs and the big media types who are controlled by the big money people, who are making the stink about Warren. I take their opinions with a grain of smoke. I am good with her. Just like I was good with Senator Kennedy, inspite of his personal life. As long as he kept voting for working people and the vast amount of us are working people, blue or white collar, I was happy to put my check box beside his name. I will be more than happy to put my check box besides Warren’s name.  The Rs had to go trolling for this crap about her. Her mother is part native American and she was brought up to think of herself that way. My husband’s family claims they are decendant from native Americans. Fine. There is no proof, but they were all brought up to think this. How far away that claim is, I don’t know.  I don’t care. Warren has felt she was part native American since she was a child. That is good enough for me. Why doesn’t someone in the media just ask her mother or an aunt/uncle and be done with it. This is not the worse thing a person could do. And again it means nothing to me. I am happy to support her. Hey, why not get Harvard Professor Henry Lewis Gates to look up her ancestery. He seems like just the guy to do it.  But in the end, I don’t care.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            .. and 50 years of reporting still allowed a “man” who let a young woman die a horrible death in a dark, cold watery grave, be a U.S. senator. And someone’s “boyfriends” at Fannie/Freddie jack-up the USA’s economy .

            Mass., stay classy.

        • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

          HER ‘RESEARCH?’

          NYTimes says it is highly questionable –

          http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

          ” .. Last summer, Harvard researchers (Warren) published a headline-grabbing paper that concluded that illness or medical bills contributed to 62 percent of bankruptcies in 2007, up from about half in 2001. More than three-fourths of those with medical debt had health insurance.

          “But the researchers’ methodology has been criticized as defining medical bankruptcy too broadly and for the ideological leanings of its authors, some of whom are outspoken advocates for nationalized health care ..”

          Looking forward to detailed, intensive investigations into her alleged “research.”

          • AnitaC1040

            http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/29/491496/scott-brown-ad-wall-street/

            I am more interested in what Brown does than what he says. He is already bought and paid for by the banks.  He is weakening laws that are meant to regulate banks. And he is getting more and more of his campaign donations from Wall Street to do their bidding.  Did you enjoy giving your hard earned taxpayer dollars to the Wall Street bail outs in 2007/2008, to save the economy from collape because of the banks risky behavior? All this because of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and the replacement of it with the Banking “Modernazation” bill, which Republican Senator Graham from Texas introduced to the Senate in 1999 and which was actually written by the banks.  Do you want to keep seeing those kinds of economic swings?  Do you like preditory lending, do you like the way the banks prey on their cutomers and credit card customers. Do you like it when banks gamble with their depositors money and lose? Do you like this country being controlled by the big money on Wall Street to the point that our political leaders dare not go against them? If you don’t understand what happened in 2007/8, just say so and also say you are a right wing partician.   I, on the other hand am an Independent and when I first encountered Warren many years ago, thought she was a Republican. I liked her no matter what she was. I didn’t even know she was a Democrat until she started to run for office. I didn’t know there were any Democrats in her home state of Oaklahoma. So go right ahead and vote for Scott. Me, I prefer voting for someone who has my back, someone with a keen intellect and is ready to fight andd take on these leaches.  As an ordinary American, I am glad she is fighting the good fight. You should be too, whether she is an Independent, a Republican, a Democrat or anything else you want to throw at her.  We don’t need another weak kneed politician.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            NYTIMES: WARREN CALLED ‘UNRELIABLE’

            NYTimes says 1/32nd’s research is highly questionable —

            http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

            Res ipsa.

          • AnitaC1040

            Apparently, you DON’T understand.   http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/05/foreclosure-phil

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Sorry, will not read MJ, my family’s property was STOLEN by Commies.

            WARREN CHEATED

          • AnitaC1040

            Are you from Russia? They are the only Commies I know. If you have a grievance state it plainly..

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Did you ever see “Dr. Zhivago” with Omar Sharif? And how his house was STOLEN by the Commies? Well, that actually happened to my family, and OweBama is two clicks from there.

            Fight OweBama to the bitter end. I know his kind, and all they understand is a (political) face-punch.

          • AnitaC1040

            So, are you saying your family was part of the Russian aristocracy who helped foster the political system which left most of the Russian people starving and destitute?  And when a bloody and violent revolution happened, about a hundred years ago, the powers in charge through the aristocracy out of power, took over their palaces and placed homeless peasants in them. So, you are identifying with the tyranical aristocracy who profitted from and made such an unequal system to support their selfishness and greed?

             I don’t understand what this has to do with Warren.  Are you saying that Democrats are the Bolshivics, the workers or the peasants? I haven’t seen that kind of bloody take over in the US. The wealthy bankers are still in charge, still living in their palaces and still taking advantage of the wider US population. They are fleesing us, as the Russion aristocracy fleezed their own people and now they want to take the crumbs we are left fighting for.  I think the Rs deserve the political face punch for what they have done to this country since Reagon. They have managed to dismantle all of FDR’s reforms and are throwing this country into a series of boom and bust cycles which strips the larger population of their riches, their pensions, the SS, their homes and their investments. This boom and bust cycle only enhances the wealthy elites.  I know why I am not happy with Obama. Now you tell me exactly what policy he has put into law that you don’t like or which specific law he supports that you don’t like.  And what has this got to do with Warren’s strong position against the excesses and deregulation of Wall Street?

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            You don’t seem very well-read or educated. Attempt to read and comprehend this. 

            http://victimsofcommunism.org/ 

            There will be an exam, and claiming 1/32nd American Indian blood without authenticated tribal involvement will not be allowed.Next: VictimsOfOwe-Bama.org

          • AnitaC1040

            I am very well read. But I don’t see what Communism has to do with America. Are you a McCarthy type from the 1950′s? Are you saying Elizabeth Warren is a Communist?  The loyal opposition to Rs, in this country are not Communist.  I have not called Republicans Fascists or Nazis, why must you call Democrats Communists?  That is no way to have a conversation. Where do you get this stuff? Really, please step away from FOX News they have not informed you very well.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            2 + 2 = 3,475

            Why are USA JOBS being KILLED?

            Because OweBama cannot do math accurately. He is a lawyer, a yapper, a talker.

          • AnitaC1040

            Let me inform you that it was George Bush, Senior who gave money to companies if they shipped jobs overseas.  Last year the Democrats tried to stop that subsidy and every single Republican voted to continue giving away our hard earned tax payer dollars to companies that took away American jobs. So please be more specific.  George Bush Junior was the yapper, the talker, the idiot, the one who fiddled while New Orleans drowned. He was the one who was warned about Osama Bin Laden and he went on vacation instead of staying vigilent before 9/11.  He is the cause of allowing the banking collapse to happen, he did nothing that an experienced president should have done to stop the bleeding of Wall Street.  He said he would go after Bin Laden, then he stopped the search and went into Iraq for what…,for his oil buddies.  There was a big pile of crap to clean up when he got out of office. And Obama although is a bit to timid to take on Wall Street is at least trying. And as I said, The Repblicans have blocked everything he has wanted to do in hopes of collapsing this economy even further so that they can get back in power. 

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            NYTimes: Warren’s research “wrong”

            ” .. Elizabeth Warren is awesome ..”

            Yeah — at waste, incompetence and spending. From NYT:

            http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

            ” .. Last summer, Harvard researchers (Warren) published a headline-grabbing paper that concluded that illness or medical bills contributed to 62 percent of bankruptcies in 2007, up from about half in 2001. More than three-fourths of those with medical debt had health insurance.

            “But the researchers’ methodology has been criticized as defining medical bankruptcy too broadly and for the ideological leanings of its authors, some of whom are outspoken advocates for nationalized health care ..”

            Cheating can KILL. You will pay for her “research” for decades. And perhaps with your life.

            Shame, Ms. Warren.

          • AnitaC1040

            All this proves to me is the US Health care system doesn’t work. And that most first world nations that have universal health care are better off than we are.

          • AnitaC1040

            The Biggest Bubble: US Health CareUS health care costs have increased by at least 2% more than theeconomy as a whole annually for three decades, absorbing an evergreatershare of wages, business investment and public budgets.In 2010, America’s public and private health care spending totaled $2.6trillion—almost 18% of GDP, up from 9.2% in 1980.To put that in perspective, the annual spending on health care in the USnow equals about half of what China, with four times the population, spendsannually on everything. High US health care costs are also an obstacle toAmerican job growth, adding a premium to American jobs and exports and,according to the Human Resources Officers of 300 major US corporations,is a key to why many US employers are not hiring Americans.The Kaiser Family Foundation reports that in 2011, the average annualpremium for family health care coverage through an employer reached$15,073, 9% higher than in 2010, with the average employer share at $10,944,up 113% since 2000, and the average worker’s share at $4,129, up 131%. Incontrast, since 2000, median household income, when adjusted for inflation,declined by 5% over the decade.US health care costs are twice the average of those in otherwealthy developed nations, all of which provide health carecoverage to all of their people. Yet despite these high costs,Americans’ health ranks among the lowest. This discrepancy is oftenexplained in terms of America’s greater diversity and disparities, yet insured,white, middle-class Americans now rank lower in health status than all Britishresidents. And white Americans’ life expectancy is shorter than that of allCanadians—who spend 40% less. Another cited explanation for the discrepancyis unequal access to beneficial medical innovations.However, National Institute of Medicine (IOM) research finds that the costdiscrepancy in health spending between the US and its peers is due to the UShealth care system wasting about one-third of its cost through inefficienciesand a lack of focus on preventable disease. Nationally in 2009, that “wastedone-third” equaled about $765 billion of the total $2.2 trillion spent. In Massachusetts,the “wasted one-third” equaled more than $20 billion in that singleyear. As a point of reference, the approximately $20 billion estimated by theInstitute of Medicine to be wasted annually in public and private health carespending in Massachusetts is roughly equivalent to 124 times the MBTA’sFY12 budget shortfall of $161 million, more than 5 times the size of theMBTA’s $4.6 billion unfunded capital investments, and more than the $15 to$19 billion needed over the next 20 years to maintain the current state of theCommonwealth’s entire transportation network, as projected by the TransportationFinance Committee.Harvard economist Edward L. Glaeser, writing in The Boston Globe,concludes: “Ever-increasing health costs pose a threat to America’s economicfuture… The current situation has to change.”This discrepancy is oftenexplained in terms of America’s greater diversity and disparities, yet insured,white, middle-class Americans now rank lower in health status than all Britishresidents. And white Americans’ life expectancy is shorter than that of allCanadians—who spend 40% less. Another cited explanation for the discrepancyis unequal access to beneficial medical innovations.However, National Institute of Medicine (IOM) research finds that the costdiscrepancy in health spending between the US and its peers is due to the UShealth care system wasting about one-third of its cost through inefficienciesand a lack of focus on preventable disease. Nationally in 2009, that “wastedone-third” equaled about $765 billion of the total $2.2 trillion spent. In Massachusetts,the “wasted one-third” equaled more than $20 billion in that singleyear. As a point of reference, the approximately $20 billion estimated by theInstitute of Medicine to be wasted annually in public and private health carespending in Massachusetts is roughly equivalent to 124 times the MBTA’sFY12 budget shortfall of $161 million, more than 5 times the size of theMBTA’s $4.6 billion unfunded capital investments, and more than the $15 to$19 billion needed over the next 20 years to maintain the current state of theCommonwealth’s entire transportation network, as projected by the TransportationFinance Committee.Harvard economist Edward L. Glaeser, writing in The Boston Globe,concludes: “Ever-increasing health costs pose a threat to America’s economicfuture… The current situation has to change.”annually in public and private health carespending in Massachusetts is roughly equivalent to 124 times the MBTA’sFY12 budget shortfall of $161 million, more than 5 times the size of theMBTA’s $4.6 billion unfunded capital investments, and more than the $15 to$19 billion needed over the next 20 years to maintain the current state of theCommonwealth’s entire transportation network, as projected by the TransportationFinance Committee.Harvard economist Edward L. Glaeser, writing in The Boston Globe,concludes: “Ever-increasing health costs pose a threat to America’s economicfuture… The current situation has to change.”over the next 20 years to maintain the current state of theCommonwealth’s entire transportation network, as projected by the TransportationFinance Committee.Harvard economist Edward L. Glaeser, writing in The Boston Globe,concludes: “Ever-increasing health costs pose a threat to America’s economicfuture… The current situation has to change.”0%2%4%6%8%10%12%14%16%18%19591962196619701974197719811985198919921996200020042007Health Care as % ofPersonal ExpendituresUS, 1959:Q1–2011:Q22011Source: US Bureau of Economic Analysis0%2%4%6%8%10%12%14%16%18%20%196619691972197519781981198419871990199319961999200220052008Spending on Health Care as a% of Gross Domestic ProductUS, 1966–2009All OtherHealth Care SpendingMedicaidMedicareSource: Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services;US Bureau of Economic Analysis100120140160180200220240260Change in Health Care Premiums,Average Earnings & InflationUS, 1999–20101999 2001 2003 2005 2007 2009Source: Kaiser/HRET Survey of Employer Sponsored BenefitsUS Bureau of Labor StatisticsFamily Coverage +138%Single Coverage +130%Inflation +31%Average WeeklyEarnings +5%14TThhee BBoossttoonn IInnddiiccaattoorrss RReeppoorrtt 22001122Thhee BBoossttoonn IInnddiiccaattoorrss RReeppoorrtt 22001122New Territory: Rising Profits,Falling Taxes, Fewer JobsIn recent years, rising US corporate profits and lower taxes have not resultedin job and wage gains to the same extent as in earlier decades—when tax rateswere higher.Over the last decade, despite two recessions, US corporate profits soaredto record levels. In 2010, US corporations posted $1.4 trillion in post-taxprofits, up from $507 billion in 2000—a 178% increase over the decade. Bycomparison, post-tax corporate profits in the US rose by 40% in the 1950s andby 90% in the 1960s.In contrast to earlier decades, however, rising corporate prosperitydid not translate into job growth. From 2000 to 2010, total US employmentgrew by an average annual rate of 0.1%—a fraction of growthin previous decades. This reflects in part the sea-change of increasingproductivity through automation and off-shoring.Today’s jobless recovery is occurring against the backdrop of sharplydeclining corporate taxes. Marginal corporate income tax rates peaked at 54%in the 1950s. For much of the 1950s and 1960s, the percent of profits paid infederal taxes stood above 50%. Since the Tax Reform Act of 1986, individualand corporate tax rates have been at their lowest since the 1920s, droppingbelow 30% in the 1980s and 1990s and remaining at 35% from 2003 to 2010.In 2010, US corporations paid slightly more than 23% of their profits infederal taxes—the lowest rate since the 1940s.As tax rates fell, so did the share of federal revenues from corporateincome taxes—from 30% of total US revenue in the 1950s to 7.5% in 2010—while the share of tax revenues from individuals remained constant at about40%. Coupled with steep job losses and declining household incomes duringand after the Great Recession, these trends have resulted in the lowest federaltax revenues in more than 50 years: 14.8% of GDP in 2010, down from asteady 18% since the 1950s.Federal tax policy has been a major factor in the nation’s $14 trillion debtand annual budget shortfall, leaving few resources to assist those who are outof work or who require retraining to compete in the global economy.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            NYTimes: Warren’s research “wrong”

            ” .. Elizabeth Warren is awesome ..”

            Yeah — at waste, incompetence and spending. From NYT:

            http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

            ” .. Last summer, Harvard researchers (Warren) published a headline-grabbing paper that concluded that illness or medical bills contributed to 62 percent of bankruptcies in 2007, up from about half in 2001. More than three-fourths of those with medical debt had health insurance.

            “But the researchers’ methodology has been criticized as defining medical bankruptcy too broadly and for the ideological leanings of its authors, some of whom are outspoken advocates for nationalized health care ..”

            Cheating can KILL. You will pay for her “research” for decades. And perhaps with your life.

            Shame, Ms. Warren.

          • AnitaC1040

            Not as much as Scott Brown going behind everyone’s back and trying to water down banking regulatiions.  That will truely kill off the middle class.  They have stolen our pension, our savings, our SS, our houses.  Do you even know the details of why Iceland, Ireland, America and now Spain is going through this collosal economic collapse? I suspect not.  Scott Brown is going to vote to save his political career by voting for the Wall Street fat cats.  Just a few days ago my husband got a notice from his pension funds which said they couldn’t afford to make payments so for the next few years payouts to retireee will be reduced.  NICE!!!!!! Glad we worked so hard to see our life savings in retirement accounts and pensions blow up in our face a few years before we retire. Who is stealing this money, the banks and wealthy moneyed interest of this country.  And you want to support these people who will rob you blind and then celebrate their greed. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            IS HARVARD INVESTIGATING ‘LIE-AWATHA?’

            NYTimes: Warren’s research “wrong”

            ” .. Elizabeth Warren is awesome ..”

            Yeah — at waste, incompetence and spending. From NYT:

            http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

            ” .. Last summer, Harvard researchers (Warren) published a headline-grabbing paper that concluded that illness or medical bills contributed to 62 percent of bankruptcies in 2007, up from about half in 2001. More than three-fourths of those with medical debt had health insurance.

            “But the researchers’ methodology has been criticized as defining medical bankruptcy too broadly and for the ideological leanings of its authors, some of whom are outspoken advocates for nationalized health care ..”

            Cheating can KILL. You will pay for her “research” for decades. And perhaps with your life.

            Shame, Ms. Warren.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Quoting a (D) opinion-rag. Wow, that’s reliable. Not.

            This is not over. By a long shot.

          • AnitaC1040

            Maybe you need to watch, “Inside Job”.  You could be better informed. http://movies.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/movies/08inside.html?pagewanted=all

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Sorry, will not watch BULL, my family’s property was STOLEN by Commies.

            WARREN CHEATED

          • AnitaC1040

            Are you mentally stable?

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Are you mentally stable?

          • AnitaC1040

            Yes, I am. But you seem to be yelling a lot instead of specific dialog exchange.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            You’re yelling.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            You’re yelling.

          • AnitaC1040

            No…I am trying to have a discussion with you.

          • AnitaC1040
          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Madam, you must be kidding — it has (D) written, all over it.

            WARREN CHEATED AMERICAN INDIAN MALES — SHAME!!!

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            .. and 50 years of reporting still allowed a “man” who let a young woman die a horrible death in a dark, cold watery grave, be a U.S. senator. And someone’s “boyfriends” at Fannie/Freddie jack-up the USA’s economy .

            Mass., stay classy.

          • AnitaC1040

            So, let me get this straight, you want me to vote against my own self interest and the interest of most Americans because 50 years ago some drunk ran his car off a bridge?  That is not going to happen.  I wouldn’t vote for a Republican if my life depended on it.  As they use to say, “Better dead than RED”.  And when I mean red I mean right wing Republican RED!  :-)

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Kennedy/OweBama KILLING JOBS. With silly regulations, massive tax increase, and BUREAUCRATS!!

            Yup.

          • AnitaC1040

            Which regulations are you talking about that are preventing companies from hiring? Be specific now.  The 1950′s, 1960′s and 1970′ had more regulations than they do today and rich people paid more taxes.  We had more jobs back then.  Pres Obama has stemmed the flood of Bush job losses. The Rs are blocking everything he wants to do. It is the “Do Nothing” attitude of Congress that is putting this country into 3rd world status. We were hemoraging jobs during the Bush administration.  The bureaucracy was increased more under Bush. And since the Bush tax cuts were put in place, “WHERE ARE THE JOBS?”  Again you have to be more specific when you say things, you can’t make sweeping generalization.  And you are the one who brought up Pasternak’s Dr Zhivago.  How old are you?  Do you even remember FRD and what his administration did during the Depression. The Rs are systematically dismanteling his laws and in the process this country is in the boom/bust cycle you see since Reagon’s 1980′s deregulations.  How come you don’t understand that?  And again what has this got to do with Warren?

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            STONE-COLD WRONG

            “The 1950′s, 1960′s and 1970′ had more regulations than they do today ..”

            Prove it. You’re stone-cold wrong. Give up, please, Commie-dupe/OweBama voter.

            ” .. rich people paid more taxes ..”

            Prove it, as an aggragate, marginally, and individually. You can’t, you’re wrong, give up.

            OWE-BAMA KILLS JOBS — FACT.

          • AnitaC1040

            You can look that information up anytime you like.  FDR put in all those banking regulations and the Rs have been dismanteling them.  The rich paid more then in taxes than they do now, that is easy to find as well. Why don’t you just look it up.  I am not a Commie, I am a Capitalist. But I like ground rules, not the wild west.

          • AnitaC1040

            For much of the 20th century, Americans’ fortunes rose and fell together.Today, that is no longer true.Broad Prosperity: 1946–1979For three decades after World War II, from 1947 to 1979, US growth andproductivity soared as returning soldiers went to college and purchased newhomes—both subsidized by the GI Bill. The federal government invested inmajor new infrastructure, from the federal highway system to rural electrification.Earnings rose for all groups, but especially for those at the bottom.The Divorce of Productivityfrom Wage Gains: 1979–2011Automation of manufacturing andservice jobs combined with offshoringto low-wage nations fueledproductivity, growth and profits buteliminated millions of Americanjobs. Wages stagnated in mostsectors but salaries in the financialsector soared. The share of incomefor the bottom fifth of Americans lostground while the top 1% of earnersrose from about 10% of the nation’spretax income in 1980 to more than20% in 2007, a level not seen since1928. This shift represents a radicalchange from America’s economyfor much of the 20th century. HenryFord, who first mass-produced automobilesearly in the 20th century,paid workers wages sufficient toafford his cars to sustain his market.Today’s new auto workers cannotpurchase the new cars they make.In the US economy today—70%dependent on consumer spending—consumers are pulling back todeleverage near-record-leveldebt, while businesses deleverageemployees in the name of efficiency.With high deficits, governmentis also cutting back. The resultis slow wage and job growth andreduced consumer spending—avicious cycle.The National ContextSource: US Bureau of Economic Analysis,Adapted from Robert Reich, New York Times Sept. 3, 2011Bottom Fifth($26,934 or less)Second Fifth($26,935 – $47,914)Third Fifth($47,915 – $73,338)Fourth Fifth($73,339 – $112,540)Top Fifth($112,541 or more)+122%+113%+115%+99%- 4%+7%+15%+25%+55%Change in Income by Quintiles+101%The Great Prosperity / The Great RegressionChanges in Productivity and Earnings US, 1947–20091947–1979 1980–2009ProductivityReal AverageHourly WageReal AverageHourlyCompensation1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2010+119%+100%+72% +7%+8%+80%1947–1979 1980–2009In 2009 Dollars12The Boston Indicators Report 2012Dow Jones Industrial AverageDaily Close, July 1, 1987–December 31, 1987July 1, 1987–December 31, 1987“Black Monday”10/19/1987Largest single-dayloss inmarket historySource: Dow Jones Industrial AverageNASDAQ Composite IndexDaily Close, Dec. 31, 1970–Oct. 31, 2011Dec. 31, 1970–Oct. 31, 2011Source: NASDAQMarch 10, 2001Real US Home Price Index1890 – Q3 2011Real Home Price IndexUS, 1890–2011:Q2Source: Rober Shiller, Irrational Exuberance 2nd EditionIrrational Exuberance 2nd Edition1920-194219531979Q11989Q22006Q119291987200020072011Dow Jones Industrial Average Daily CloseMay 26, 1896–Oct. 31, 2011Source: Dow Jones Industrial AverageBubbles and Debt:A Fragile Foundation for GrowthThe Great Recession revealed and intensified structural trends long underwayin Boston and the nation. Looking at the US economy across decades andeven a century, it is clear that in recent decades, speculative booms and bustshave played an increasingly large role in the US economy, with an accompanyingincrease in volatility: The 1980s real estate boom fueled consumer spending and stock priceincreases, but crashed in the 1987 Savings & Loan (S&L) crisis. Loosenedregulations allowed the staid Savings & Loan industry to operate morelike commercial banks, and they made increasingly risky loans. WhenCongress eliminated tax incentives for holding commercial real estate,the loans went bad, triggering the greatest one-day percentage drop in USstock market history: 22.6%. The sudden loss of tax revenues hit statesand the nation hard.The 1980s real estate boom fueled consumer spending and stock priceincreases, but crashed in the 1987 Savings & Loan (S&L) crisis. Loosenedregulations allowed the staid Savings & Loan industry to operate morelike commercial banks, and they made increasingly risky loans. WhenCongress eliminated tax incentives for holding commercial real estate,the loans went bad, triggering the greatest one-day percentage drop in USstock market history: 22.6%. The sudden loss of tax revenues hit statesand the nation hard. The dot.com bubble of the late 1990s reflected private equity, venturecapital and stockholder speculation on the value of high-tech companies,leading to a record NASDAQ close in 2000. The bubble burst in March2001, sending the US economy into a recession that hit Greater Bostonparticularly hard with a sharp loss in high tech and manufacturing jobs.The dot.com bubble of the late 1990s reflected private equity, venturecapital and stockholder speculation on the value of high-tech companies,leading to a record NASDAQ close in 2000. The bubble burst in March2001, sending the US economy into a recession that hit Greater Bostonparticularly hard with a sharp loss in high tech and manufacturing jobs. The housing bubble of 2001–2006 combined easy credit and lax regulationwith predatory lending, recklessness and greed. That bubble burst inmid-2006, devaluing home prices as well as sub-prime mortgage-backedsecurities, which in turn led to the near-collapse of the US and globalbanking system in late 2008.More than a century of US stock market history shows that the USeconomy has entered a period of great volatility—a “new normal”—aftermany decades of relative stabilityThe housing bubble of 2001–2006 combined easy credit and lax regulationwith predatory lending, recklessness and greed. That bubble burst inmid-2006, devaluing home prices as well as sub-prime mortgage-backedsecurities, which in turn led to the near-collapse of the US and globalbanking system in late 2008.More than a century of US stock market history shows that the USeconomy has entered a period of great volatility—a “new normal”—aftermany decades of relative stability

          • AnitaC1040

            One last time, DEREGULATION ruined this country, in the form of risky banking investments, bad housing loans, credit default swaps and banking fees.  Pay attention.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Kennedy/OweBama KILLING JOBS. With silly regulations, massive tax increase, and BUREAUCRATS!!

    • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

      PROOF

      She is the one took advantage of the system. That makes it, on her.

      Will Harvard be required to prove to others that all she has been involved with, had nothing to do with affirmative action advantage?

      That would be mess, wouldn’t it?

      • grammy97

        The “system”  includes some factors that were created by law.   When the USA decided to make it a legal benefit to give specific attention to minorities, there was a reason for that action.   As recently as 1885 there were still bounties offered in this country for Indian scalps and/or heads.   As recently as this century, black people were being horribly murdered in this country because of the color of their skin.   Affirmative action is not a harmful requirement:  it shouldn’t be a derogatory phrase, either.   Affirmative action is a long overdue apology.

        • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

          Male American Indian law graduates think Ms. Warren cheated. To push past them, to gain advantage.

          There will be investigations. Count on it. This is not over, by a long shot.

          Harvard and Penn have a lot of explaining to do. It will not be pretty or pleasant.

          Way to go, Ms. Warren.

    • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

      C H E R O K E E

      Please update Ms. Warren.

  • Dan19641216

    Why do you keep mouthing the Brown campaign by making assertions about Warren’s Native American claims without  evidence of any benefits she received as a results of her claims? There is no there there. Report the news; don’t get into political  discourse. 

    • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

      She is the one took advantage of the system. That makes it, on her.

      Will Harvard be required to prove to others that all she has been involved with, had nothing to do with affirmative action advantage?

      That would be mess, wouldn’t it?

  • Slbnyc

    NO LONGER NEWS! Give us real WBUR issues reporting.

  • TJtruthandjustice

    Speaking as a registered Democrat, this is a huge problem for Warren that I do not think is going to go away. The issue here is not one of hiring, but of academic tenure. Warren received tenure at Harvard after claiming to be native American. Tenure is incredibly competitive at Harvard Law. Warren was subsequently touted as the only tenured minority woman professor at Harvard Law by Harvard Law. There are two possible scenarios at work here: 1) either Warren wasn’t aware of how and why affirmative action is used and needed, or 2) she was aware, and took advantage of it, providing Harvard with its “quota” and reducing its motivation to hire and tenure a woman who is actually a minority. In either case, I truly question her judgement. The Republicans will pound her with this and the voters will react.

    • JettieG

       I do believe the issue here is that Warren LIED.

      • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

        We don’t have any evidence that Warren ever lied. 

        • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

          Yet.

    • grammy97

      Just 125 years ago, Elizabeth Warren’s partial ancestry could have gotten her murdered and beheaded in states like California.   If that same liability has now become as asset, what sensible person would not make use of it?   No law has been broken.

      • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

        The investigations are not over yet. Harvard and Penn have not cleared her. This is not over, by a long shot.

      • TJtruthandjustice

        That’s not true. Warren claims to be a 1/32 Native American.  From Wikipedia: “In the case of mixed-race Native American and European descendants, the one-drop rule in Virginia was extended only so far as those with more than one-sixteenth Indian blood. This was due to what was known as the “Pocahontas exception.” Since many influential First Families of Virginia (FFV) claimed descent from the American Indian Pocahontas and her husband John Rolfe of the colonial era, the Virginia General Assembly declared that an individual could be considered white if having no more than one-sixteenth Indian “blood” (the equivalent of one great-great-grandparent.”

        • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

          What does the fed. govt. require?

          Ms. Warren obviously does not know. Because she did NOT bond with any of the Cherokee tribal-nations.

          This is not over.

  • J__o__h__n

    The real scandal is that she is actually Kenyan and hasn’t released her birth certificate. 

    • AnitaC1040

      Thank you for the absurd comment. LOL!!!     I feel the same way, all this pretend outrage over a manufactured story.

      • TJtruthandjustice

         People have been fired from their jobs for falsely claiming minority status.  Not sure how you can call this a “manufactured story.”

        • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

          Like the CEO of Yahoo! Inc. — just fired for claiming he had an I.T. degree.

          What makes Ms. Warren above the law?

          • J__o__h__n

            She has professional credentials.  No one has shown evidence that she lied. 

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            NYTIMES: WARREN CALLED ‘UNRELIABLE’

            NYTimes says 1/32nd’s research is highly questionable –

            http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

            Res ipsa.

            This is not over. Not by a long shot.

  • Tomas

    The Democratic establishment missed a really good opportunity to insure that the primary would produce the strongest candidate.

  • Brashflash

    What’s news here? So Warren claimed membership in a protected group made her more competent to teach law? Did it make her more competent? Does a false claim of membership make her less capable to teach law than an accurate claim of membership? Is there some quantitative data that shows she is more or less capable to teach law if her membership is authentic? And if there isn’t any proof… then what’s the difference? Don’t get the news value to any of this. 

    Unless… unless… she was less competent to teach law until her membership in the protected group was claimed. Which means that if one strips membership from whoever claims it… they are less competent to teach…. law… or whatever. Ouch… my head hurts. 

    • RickRealtor

      “Does a false claim of membership make her less capable to teach law than an accurate claim of membership?” No

      It makes her immoral and therefore everything Masshole liberals look for in a pol!

      • Guest

        Based on the type of language you’re using in your post, it seems kind of fruitless to engage you, since your mind is already made up, but: how, exactly, does it make Ms. Warren immoral if it turns out she doesn’t have any Native American ancestry? She believes she has Native American ancestry because her mother always told her that she does. Therefore, she self-identifies as part Cherokee. End of story. Can we please move on to issues that actually matter?

        • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

          Lie-Awatha CHEATED the MALE American Indian law grads. Period.

          WARREN CHEATED.

          Is Harvard INVESTIGATING?

  • Guest

    First of all, it’s not a manufactured story. It’s her heritage. Do you know anything about how the federal government has treated American Indians in this country?  Women were treated no better than cattle, so records were not kept well, if at all.

    I wonder from where this bitterness comes?

    • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

      Lie-Awatha CHEATED the MALE American Indian law grads. Period.
      WARREN CHEATED

  • Muriel

    How many people in elected office  have been able to go to really selective colleges (think Ivy League) or get high level jobs because of family connections and wealth?  Think about all those who have been to Yale or Harvard, some of the Bushes and the Kennedys.  It was definitely not based on how smart or hardworking they all were.  Some got in because of a concept called “legacy”  (i.e members of the family had gone before them) or the highly probable potential that their family would give millions of dollars to the above-named colleges and others for that matter.  Maybe Warren used her Native-American ancestry (that no one seems to deny, especially with her being from Oklahoma) to get a step in the door but she is highly qualified for the job, which cannot be said of many of the other privileged people who got in based on legacy and wealth. No one ever asked how they got into those places.  In fact everyone knows how and why and never seemed to care that much.
    Warren and her campaign definitely mishandled the whole thing.  She should have acknowledged it and moved on.  She did nothing wrong. 
    On the other hand you have Scott Brown, supposedly a moderate Republican who supported a bill in the Senate that would have allowed employers to withdraw some medical procedures from their employees’ health insurance based on the grounds that it  contradicted their moral values.  Imagine an employer opposed to organ transplants because you cannot morally mix up people’s body parts and would not offer coverage for transplants to his employees.  Let’s focus on the real issues.   

    • RickRealtor

      Muriel, Scott Brown is not a Kennedy and did not have a legacy spot reserved for him at Harvard, but he did not create folklore about his family history in order to game the system and take advantage of affirmative action policies to advance his career at the expense of another who may have actually been a Native American! Furthermore senator Brown’s position on this issue is the same as Ted Kennedy’s was in earlier incarnations of the legislation! 
      “The “Health Insurance Bill of Rights Act of 1997,” sponsored by Kennedy, shares the words “religious or moral convictions.”
      In section 2787c of the 1997 bill which never passed into law, titled “Prohibition of Interference with Certain Medical Communications,” the bill says, “A health insurance issuer may fully advise licensed or certified health care providers at the time of their employment with the issuer or at any time during such employment, or enrollees at the time of their enrollment for health insurance coverage with the issuer or at any time during which such enrollees have such coverage, of the coverage’s limitations on providing particular medical services (including limitations on referrals for care provided outside of the coverage) based on the religious or moral convictions of the issuer. Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter the rights and duties of a health care provider to determine what medical communications are appropriate with respect to each patient, except as provided for in subsection.”

      The Catholic Church has always reserved the right to exempt services it provides that conflict with Church Scripture. This is nothing new and the liberals in the legislature did not have much to say about it when Kennedy was Senator. It is being used as a propaganda tool by the left! 

    • Danno

      Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree.  Given all of the facts, there is no way that “race” did not play a factor in Ms. Warren’s hiring at Harvard.  Her qualifications in relation to her peers are marginal at best.  If the tables were turned here, the Warren supporters would be all over Scott Brown.  To deny that truth is intellectually dishonest and a complete lie.  Fact is, she has a “D” next to her name and this is Massachusetts.  That is the only reason she is still in the race.  Scott Brown has managed to irritate folks on both the left AND the right.  He represents where we as a country need to get back to – not rubber stamping either political agenda but rather trying to make decisions based on what is in the best interests of the country, not the party.  Both sides are equally guilty.    

      • TJtruthandjustice

        On all the most vital issues of the day – military aggression and military spending, civil liberties, Wall Street reform – Scott Brown has voted squarely on the side of what, in a previous era, would be described as the radical far right. Or worse.  That’s why this race is so important. Democrats, for God’s sake, why didn’t you vet your candidate correctly???

    • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

      Lie-Awatha CHEATED the MALE American Indian law grads. Period.

      WARREN CHEATED

  • AnitaC1040

    You need to watch this documentary, Inside Job – from Charles Ferguson, because it is now obvious to me you do not understand what happened in the 2007 world wide economic collapse. You need to look at the people like Brooksely Born – CFTC, Raghuram Rajan – IMF Chief Economist and yes, Elizabeth Warren who were sticking their necks out trying to warn the big money people, and the American people, what was going on in the financial world. These people were whistle blowers who testified sometimes before Congress to tell anyone who would listen tothem what was happening in the banking world. The big money people did nothing but “poo poo” these people and try to ruin their credibity. But these people were correct in their assessment of the problem. When it comes to fighting, Warren is on our side, she won’t back down. I want that person, no matter what the opposition research finds on her. Scott Brown has already sold his soul. He needs to be voted out of office.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/

    • AnitaC1040

      Oh yes, I forgot to include Shelia Bar of the FDIC who also warned Congress about the impending crisis and was “poo pooed” by the big money people.  You can vote for the politicians that roll over when Wall Street calls, I prefer to support learders who stand up to them, which ever party they are from.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/magazine/sheila-bairs-exit-interview.html?pagewanted=all

      • AnitaC1040

        “Senator Double Talk (Scott Brown), who has proclaimed the importance of the women in his life, joined the Senate Republican minority in rejecting the Paycheck Fairness Act, designed to close a gap where women get paid 77 cents for every dollar received by a man,

        Brown and the GOP declared the measure would impose “unfair burdens” on employers when called upon to explain and lead to “frivolous” lawsuits. Oh, those silly women.

        In a brilliant tactical move (again), Brown trotted out Maine’s Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins as cover in declaring they really are for the bill even though they voted against it.
        “It’s the right cause but the wrong bill,’’ Brown said after the vote.
        Brown has based his Senate career on saying one thing while doing another: rejecting equal pay for women while supporting Wall Street is perhaps the biggest contradiction of all.”

        • AnitaC1040

          Two faces of Scotto
          Money talks — and Scott Brown is still listening the the financial services industry,”The Bay State’s junior senator remains a favorite of Wall Street, which tops the list of his campaign contributors. And Brown continues to return the affection,  working to further weaken the law he stripped down before finally famously telling us he voted for it.The Globe reports that Brown is working to further weaken the Volcker Rule, something he was instrumental in weakening before casting what his commercials say was his “tie-breaking vote for Wall Street reform.” That involved negotiating language allowing banks to invest up to 3 percent of depositor money in riskier investments such as hedge funds and private equity funds, and to own up to 3 percent of an individual fund.But e-mails suggest Brown wasn’t done:… as regulators began the less publicly scrutinized task of writing rules amid heavy pressure from the banking sector, Brown urged the regulators to interpret the 3 percent rule broadly and to offer banks some leeway to invest in hedge funds and private equity funds. A banking industry lobbyist told the Globe that Brown’s work give banks “maximum relief around the margins.” As Lawrence D. Kaplan adds:“They’re trying to make sure it’s being interpreted in the best light for them, which is appropriate,’’ he said. “They’re not going to say, ‘Please, sir, can I have some more?’ They want to have the best scenario.’’MIT Professor Simon Johnson was far more direct:“This is a treatise on how to gut the thing.’’ Not surprisingly Brown was not available to personally comment to anything unrelated to the heritage of Democrat Elizabeth Warren. A spokeswoman offered the usual platitudes Brown has offered since those votes, declaring his work for home state businesses like Mass Mutual and State Street.Brown’s interests in the law focus on areas far from the daily concerns of the men and women he’s seen palling around with in coffee shop commercials, particularly the carried interest rule that allows Mitt Romney and others to pay far less in taxes on capital gains than most Americans pay on earned income.Brown also rallies for banks being allowed to risk more taxpayer-insured depositor funds and pool those resources with non-banking customer cash to heighten the rewards to banks — and risk to depositors.It seems those commercials where Brown is offered a coffee refill should really be shot at a white linened table where the coffee comes from a silver carafe.And bought and paid for by Wall Street.”

          • AnitaC1040

            “One thing is certain. The time is rapidly arriving when Scott Brown will no longer be able to hide behind the word processors of GOP advocates who have managed to frame this campaign about hot button non-issues like affirmative action to avoid talking about Brown’s record as a defender of Wall Street over the Main Street residents who Warren champions.

            Brown has been a virtually invisible candidate — opting for control appearances before friendly crowds and avoiding reporters or public forums where he cannot control the questions.

            Warren, with a clear field, has now thrown down the debate gauntlet. While she has a pretty good track record in articulating her causes, Brown proved himself to be no slouch in sharing the debate stage with Martha Coakley.

            It’s time for Brown to stop hiding behind phony issues and soft and gauzy commercials professing love for the Red Sox and Celtics and face the voters with an honest discussion about the real problems facing Massachusetts and the nation, how he has voted on them.

            It’s equally incumbent on the independent media to stop taking the candy thrown in its direction and ensure that Brown can no longer continue running away from a discussion of his voting record.”

          • AnitaC1040

            The continued attack on Obama’s heritage — along with Scott Brown’s questions about Elizabeth Warren’s Cherokee roots — suggests the nativist element of the conservative movement is still alive and well. And that the GOP candidates are so uncertain of their own policies and promises — that pandering to fear remains a key tool in their electoral arsenals.

            After all, it’s hard to back policies that caused the Great Recession as a tool to get the nation out of those doldrums. Appealing to baser instincts is surely the path of least resistance, which is why neither Romney nor Brown are willing to give it up any time soon.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            WARREN CHEATED AMERICAN INDIAN MALES

          • AnitaC1040

            And Scott Brown is not only lying about his own policies, HE is cheating the AMERICAN PEOPLE, by his disceptions and voting record, all the while manipulating financial policies behind the scenes.  Being seen as one thing to the public  (Mr. Nice guy – Blak!!!) and something entirely different in private.  A phoney. He is nothing but a no good two faced liar, who should NOT be put back into office. He is on the wrong side of the financial issue. Warren is on the people’s side and that is what we should be discussing. Do you even kknow what her opinions are?  Do we want to go back to the fiscal policies of the Bush administration which got us into this financial meltdown or do we want to go forward by voting for Warren, so she can take on these CROOKS.  Scott is sleeping with the enemy, he is no good and certainly not trustworthy.  DON”T VOTE FOR BROWN!!!!!  He will make the impending economic meltdown worse. “Follow the money.” – if you dare…

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            IS HARVARD INVESTIGATING ‘LIE-AWATHA?’

            NYTimes: Warren’s research “wrong”

            ” .. Elizabeth Warren is awesome ..”

            Yeah — at waste, incompetence and spending. From NYT:

            http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

            ” .. Last summer, Harvard researchers (Warren) published a headline-grabbing paper that concluded that illness or medical bills contributed to 62 percent of bankruptcies in 2007, up from about half in 2001. More than three-fourths of those with medical debt had health insurance.

            “But the researchers’ methodology has been criticized as defining medical bankruptcy too broadly and for the ideological leanings of its authors, some of whom are outspoken advocates for nationalized health care ..”

            Cheating can KILL. You will pay for her “research” for decades. And perhaps with your life.

            Shame, Ms. Warren.

          • AnitaC1040
          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            STONE-COLD WRONG

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html

            “Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.”

            Why USA?

            Oh .. he did not want to DIE???

            WARREN CHEATED – YOU PAY

          • AnitaC1040

            It is great for people who can afford it.  And frankly, for many people they are either going without or they wait until their illness is worse and procedures are far most costly and complicated.  Then they are saddled with enormous bills. Sadly, for many Americans they are having to go out of this country for procedures and drugs.  Ain’t THAT great!!!

            http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/health-care-for-all/has-canada-got-the-cure

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            “OH, CANADIAN MEDICINE IS SO MUCH BETTER”

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/01/nl-williams-heart-201.html

            “Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is set to undergo heart surgery this week in the United States.”

            Why USA?

            Oh .. he did not want to DIE???

            WARREN CHEATED – YOU PAY

    • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

      Wow. A movie by a (D) supports the (D) view. Stop the presses.

      Oh — OweBama bowed down to them folks twice this month in NYC. He’s a class act. Not.

      • AnitaC1040

        I definately agree with you on that point. His first job out of Columbia was to work on Wall Street.  He is too cosy with them. No disagreement from me. I think of Obama as Republican “light”.  But there has been so many Dems as well as Rs who have turned their back on us just to get reelected. That is my point. So get rid of the ones who go that way and Scott Brown is one of them. Give someone a chance to fight them.  But in all honesty, it has been the R’s, sice Regon/Bush who have deregulated our economy so much that now both sides have to grovel to the big money people and we the people get nothing in return. A lower standard of living a bigger gap between rich and poor, our pension plans robbed by corporations, we have to work longer because we have been robbed. Sometimes, I wonder if the Dems even know what they stand for anymore. But I blame it on the big money influence, that the Rs let loose on us. I have seen too many times the Dems walking across the aisle to vote “Yes” on a bill crafted by an R and not think twice about it. I blame Clinton for signing the Bank Modernization Bill, he should have vetoed it, but he had Summers, Rubin and Gietner staring him down. I blame the Dems for signing on to NAFT and CAFTA with no restrictions. Knowing all along that this would create massive job losses and there was nothing in the those bills to catch the workers as they became unemployeed in massive numbers. They could have at least lowered the age of Medicare to 50, because it has been very difficult for people over 50 to find the kind of good paying jopbs that they lost. At least if they had Medicare they could work in small jobs to get by until they were 65 or even start their own business. But we got nothing, we got screwed.  Ross Porrot was correct when he said all you will hear is the “giant sucking sound” as jobs leave America.  We have had all those years of deregulations since the 1980′s. We were a better and stronger country prior to Reagon, prior to the Savings and Loan crisis, prior to the outsourcing of American jobs. A pox on both there houses.

        • AnitaC1040

          This is an excerpt from Charles Fergason’s new book. “Starting around 1980, American society began to undergo a series of deep shifts. Deregulation, weakened antitrust enforcement, and technological changes led to increasing concentration of industry and finance. Money began to play a larger and more corrupting role in politics. America fell behind other nations in education, in infrastructure, an…d in the performance of many of its major industries. Inequality increased. As a result of these and other changes, America was turning into a rigged game—a society that denies opportunity to those who are not born into wealthy families, one that resembles a third-world dictatorship more than an advanced democracy. The “Occupy Wall Street” protests that began in New York in September 2011, and then rapidly spread around America and the world, were initially somewhat unclear in their goals. But the protesters were deeply right about one thing: over the last thirty years, the United States has been taken over by an amoral financial oligarchy, and the American dream of opportunity, education, and upward mobility is now largely confined to the top few percent of the population. Federal policy is increasingly dictated by the wealthy, by the financial sector, and by powerful (though sometimes badly mismanaged) industries such as telecommunications, health care, automobiles, and energy. These policies are implemented and praised by these groups’ willing servants, namely the increasingly bought-and-paid-for leadership of America’s political parties, academia, and lobbying industry. If allowed to continue, this process will turn the United States into a declining, unfair society with an impoverished, angry, uneducated population under the control of a small, ultrawealthy elite. Such a society would be not only immoral but also eventually unstable, dangerously ripe for religious and political extremism.”

          • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

            There is a shocking graph on the Boston Foundations’s Boston Indicators Report 2012, on p. 12,
             http://www.bostonindicators.org/uploadedFiles/tbforg/Utility_Navigation/Multimedia_Library/Reports/2012-indicators.pdfwhich shows that while American productivity has continued to increase at a steady pace since 1950, real wages kept up with that increase in productivity until 1980, and then after leveled off. Which leads one to ask: to whom are the benefits of the increases in productivity going?

          • AnitaC1040

            Excellant find. I was interested in reading the whole report, but just took a quick look. Page 11 graphs are shocking as I have been saying.  We, the American citizen, have been lossing ground since Reagon. High concentrations of power in financial institutions. And their concentration on our political system.  Just listening to Norm Chompsky as I read the report.  Timely.  That is why we need someone like Warren who will fight these deregulations and excesses of the financial institutions. Scott Brown has already given his soul to Wall Street. What use is he now? This financial issue is the bread and butter of our economy and he, as our Senator, is failing us.

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            Fred, if it so lousy here, why are you here? I asked a VP of AAUP that .. and she had no answer.

            Further — you did NOT do that quant-analysis, yourself.

            You have NO idea, if the data was “smoothed” to give the result desired.

            Example: if you eliminated the Kennedys and Mr. Teresa Heinz — how far would the averages would move?

            Just like how Ms. Warren ginned-up her numbers, per THE NEW YORK TIMES –

            NYTimes: Warren’s research “wrong”

            http://nyti.ms/ax4BW4

            ” .. Last summer, Harvard researchers (Warren) published a headline-grabbing paper that concluded that illness or medical bills contributed to 62 percent of bankruptcies in 2007, up from about half in 2001. More than three-fourths of those with medical debt had health insurance.

            “But the researchers’ methodology has been criticized as defining medical bankruptcy too broadly and for the ideological leanings of its authors, some of whom are outspoken advocates for nationalized health care ..”

            Cheating can KILL. You will pay for her “research” for decades. And perhaps with your life.

            Shame, Ms. Warren.

            Fred, those who can think, they NEVER trust political “studies” handed to them. Like Woodward and Bernstein. Shouldn’t you do the same?

          • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

            I am here in Boston because I work for WBUR. I am here in the United States because I am American. 

            The analysis comes from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. 

          • Cmdr_Casey_Ryback

            About “economics” —

            I’m reminded of a Sunday NYT Magazine article about economic forecasting. Twenty economists with global reputations — Socialist, Communist, Democrat, Republican, Anarchist — were asked for their long-range forecasts.

            None of the economic forecasts were similar. All were different.

            Sir, anyone who thinks BEA has “the truth” is a stone-cold fool. There are “statistics, damned statistics, and lies.” For all anyone knows, BEA ginned the numbers under orders from the White House.

            Heck — didn’t Mr. B. Frank say that Fannie/Freddie were “just fine” three months before they nearly collapsed? And he has a Harvard law degree!

            Journalism 101, sir — “never believe anything you read, and only half of what you see.”

            You’re welcome.

          • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

            Sorry, here’s that link to the report:

            http://www.bostonindicators.org/Indicators2008/ 

    • Kslats1

      your not Anita Hill are you

      • AnitaC1040

        No, I am a white women from European ancestry. My father named me after Anita Eckburg, a famous Sweedish movie star from the 1950′s. I hate the name and I am not amused at my father or the big buxumed movie star.  :-) 

  • Kslats1

    The oh by the way to Harvard,”I’m part Cherokee” at the time she was hired did’t matter…..Yah right …Harvard and her should come clean
    Its a tribute to he opponent, he didnt persue this

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