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WBUR Poll: Brown Leads Warren By 4 Points

BOSTON — A new WBUR poll (PDFs — topline, crosstabs) finds a turn in the U.S. Senate race. Republican incumbent U.S. Sen. Scott Brown now leads his Democratic challenger, Elizabeth Warren, 47 to 43 percent. The survey of likely voters, conducted Oct. 5-7, has a 4.4 percent margin of error.

In WBUR’s last Senate poll, conducted in September, Warren led brown by two points.

Working Across The Aisle

MassINC's Steve Koczela On The Poll
Click for the poll’s topline results (PDF).

Click for the poll’s topline results (PDF).

Brown has poured beer for customers at Doyle’s Cafe in Jamaica Plain, but the long table near his autographed picture is definitely Elizabeth Warren territory. Amy Trueblood, of West Roxbury, doesn’t buy Brown’s claims of working across the aisle.

“He says he’s bipartisan, but that’s only compared to all the Republicans that are in Congress,” Trueblood said. “Currently, they’re so extreme that any movement away from the far right makes you look like you’re bipartisan, but I don’t see that he’s really going to be as independent as he claims that he is.”

But Trueblood is in the minority. Massachusetts voters cherish their reputation for balancing their support between Democrats and Republicans, and Brown benefits from his record as a candidate willing to vote against his own party.

The latest WBUR poll finds that 60 percent of Brown’s supporters thinks it’s “very important” that the candidate they support “will compromise with the other party more often when in the Senate.” Only 41 percent of Warren supporters think that’s an important consideration.

Trust Issues

Throughout the year, Brown has tried to portray Warren as someone voters can’t trust. It began with questioning her motives for listing herself as Native American in a law school registry. And the WBUR poll finds that this is working to Brown’s advantage with a sizable minority of voters. Thirty-one percent of Brown’s supporters see the issue as “very important.”

In recent weeks, Brown has broadened his attack on Warren’s credibility. He has questioned her role in advising an insurance company defending claims of victims of asbestos contamination. That’s an issue that resonates with Jason Cherson, of West Roxbury.

“I like Scott Brown because I think he’s honest. I think he tells the truth. I think Elizabeth Warren, I think she tells lies,” Cherson said. “I just can’t believe anything that she is talking about as far as being a lawyer, attorney for the asbestos people. She’s an attorney for big business.”

Warren actually helped Travelers Insurance set up a trust fund for victims of asbestos contamination.

Cherson also sees Warren as an outsider.

“She’s only lived here, I think, for two years in the state, and I just don’t believe anything she says,” Cherson said.

Warren has actually lived in Massachusetts for the past 17 years*. But the perception that she is an outsider could work against her among some voters. Thirty percent of Brown supporters say the candidate that “seems more similar to the people” they know is “very important.” But 31 percent of Warren supporters say the same.

Warren’s biggest advantage remains among people who consider which party “will control the U.S. Senate after this election,” Seventy-one percent of Warren supporters say that’s “very important.” But for now, that’s not important enough in most voters’ minds to offset their preference for Scott Brown.

Correction: An earlier version of this online report incorrectly stated that Warren has lived in Massachusetts for seven years. She has lived here for 17 years.

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  • ep11

    Has not Elizabeth Warren lived in Massachusetts for seventeen years, not seven? Since 1995?

    • FrancisMcManus

       Wiki says she started teaching at Harvard in ’92.

      • ep11

        It would seem that WBUR might be able to clear this up for us. Although, as you remark below, it’s a fair guess that an accurately reported fact wouldn’t significantly impinge on Mr. Jason Cherson’s belief system.

        • WBUR News

          ep11, FrancisMcManus - 

          Yes, you are correct. The number was incorrectly transcribed in the Web copy. She has lived in Massachusetts for 17 years. We regret the error. Thank you. 

          • ep11

            Thank you

    • Cubanit0

      Ten of those years was in a teepee.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Fine/100002306266703 Rebecca Fine

    I don’t see how Brown could be ahead when he’s behind in all the other recent polls.  And no way did Obama drop by 12 points in MA –  that’s also at odds with other polls.  And I’m pretty sure Warren has lived in MA for about 20 years.  Looks like someone is cooking this poll for the Republicans.

    • rickterp

      More likely than cooking of the poll is the fact that some people were away during the long weekend. Did the pollsters miss a big chunk of the electorate because they weren’t home?

  • FrancisMcManus

    Mr Jason Cherson seems like a low information voter:

    “She’s only lived here, I think, for two years in the state, and I just don’t believe anything she says”

    No, not 2 years, 20 years.  Facts aside, Jason’s line of thinking is provincial, in other words, because she been here two years, she’s not us.  I doubt though he’d be upset to learn Scott Brown was born in Maine.

    Jason also says he doesn’t believe “anything she says.”

    What makes Jason a good example of the narrative Fred Thys is writing?

    And how can half the voters in Massachusetts be so terribly wrong as to support a candidate devoid of truthfulness?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GFS7MK7YRT7KVVOROOIXTJJLHI moron

       Practicing law in Mass for 20 years WITHOUT a license!

      • J__o__h__n

        How could she do that as she has only been here for two years?

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      Francis McManus, 

      You make a really good point about how a particular voter could or could not fit into the narrative around a poll. In this case, I went to Doyle’s, in Jamaica Plain, and I was challenged to find supporters of Scott Brown. These stories may come up with people who exemplify what others believe, but aside from the poll results, they are inevitably anectodal.

      • ep11

        I’m a bit confused about this comment. You are “challenged” to find Brown supporters at this particular spot, Doyle’s in JP, and yet you state that the Warren supporter that you quote is “in the minority.”  I’m assuming by that you mean “a statewide minority, as evidenced by this latest poll.”

        You’ve chosen “Working Across the Aisle” and “Trust Issues” to exemplify the contrasting positions of the candidates, and state that the Native American issue brought up by Brown is working to his advantage “with a sizable minority of voters.” 

        That is not what this poll and other polls have indicated. Thirty percent of Brown supporters finding this to be a “very important issue” is not actually all that sizable. Do the math and you’ll find that as many as 70-80% of all voters do not find this issue to be very important. Yet it seems that we will continue to read and listen to  an ever expanding list of “trust issues,” at the expense of opportunity to discuss truly critically important matters for the future of our state and our country.

        I recognize that it may be challenging to cover the horserace, but this whole thing should really be a dead horse by now. Those voters who need this “trust issue” to fit into their narrative already know enough about it by now.

        • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

          ep11,

          indeed, the Warren supporter I quote is in the minority among likely voters we polled. 

          It seems to me that 30 percent of Brown supporters finding an issue “very important” helps to explain  support for him. Elections are won on  the margins.

          • ep11

            Of course. My point is that 30% of Brown supporters equates to less than 15% of the electorate at large, so I am suggesting that rather than characterizing that group as a “sizable minority,” one might instead consider that 85% of the electorate does not consider this issue to be very important. And yes, Brown supporters find this issue to be important, since Brown’s campaign has made it to be that way, so of course that helps to explain support for him. All I’m saying is that the other 85% of us might appreciate something else to chew on.

            The Warren supporter you quoted said that she did not believe that Brown is in a position to be truly bipartisan. She did not comment on the importance or not to her of cherishing bipartisanship, so I don’t know whether or not she’s in the minority on that question.

            In fact the frame of your article, while appearing to give equal weight to Brown and Warren supporters, does lead off in each instance with issues that have been made to seem important by the Brown campaign. “Bipartisanship” and “Trust Issues” both emanate from the Brown campaign. It may be a little late now, but it might have been nice to hear more about the Consumer Financial Protection Agency, for instance, at some point in the campaign.

            Your poll results and your interviewee’s answers are going to necessarily reflect the questions you ask. 

            Don’t mean to rag on you in particular, and thanks for the replies.

          • ep11

            Or, framed this way:

            “Brown supporter claims Warren is not really a Cherokee; Warren supporter claims Brown not really a bipartisan independent moderate.”

            It’s a trust issue either way.

          • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

            ep11, I appreciate the feedback! Actually, the only question I ask people for these stories is: who do you like and why? 

  • rickterp

    So a poll taken over a holiday weekend shows that those who didn’t go away are more likely to support Brown and Romney than polls taken previously (that is, not during holiday weekends)? I’d love to know what the pollsters did (if anything) to ensure that they got a representative sample — that is, not skewed by the fact that some went away for the long weekend.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      Rickterp,

      you raise a great question. The poll is weighted to reflect the population of Massachusetts in various ways, but I’m not sure how that exactly that would remedy the possible bias towards people who did not go away for a long weekend. It seems to me that would be a great question for our pollster the next time he’s on the air.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NG4UZC44SCTIJ3RGLUVMO645ZM Rudolf

    Is the “Margin of Error” (due to statistical sampling error) not actually +/- 4.4% ?

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      Rudolf,

      indeed, you are right.

  • Angela Vierling-Claassen

    Please please please stop report that Brown leads Warren (or that last week Warren led Brown) in a poll that is within the margin of error. The polling results mean absolutely nothing about the population because of that whole margin-of-error thing. There has been no shift because the polls still show a tie. I’d be ever so grateful if you stop spreading innumeracy and making a news story where none exists. 

    • SharonResident

      Silly comment.  A lead is a lead.  Of course, there is a margin of error. 

      • Angela Vierling-Claassen

         No, sorry, it is only a lead in the 500 people surveyed, not in the population as a whole, which makes it not newsworthy. Try this as a source to learn more about it: http://www.robertniles.com/stats/margin.shtml

        • Armyspouse1988

          All polls cost money and effort to conduct.  I don’t want ANY of them suppressed.  Just publish ALL of them–I am wise enough to read them and draw my own conclusions.

        • Cas47

          Um, that is how polls work. Did you think they polled the entire population? I don’t think 500 is a particularly small sample size for one state.

    • Pythagoras

       The margin of error in a poll is equal to 1.95 standard deviations in the statistical variation due to the small sample size.

      Assuming the candidates are actually tied, there is about a 20% chance this result could be achieved just from a random sample. It is highly likely that Brown has an actual lead across the whole population.

      (By the way, for any math-checkers, I assumed the sampling errors are perfectly negatively correlated. That is, my calculation is simply that Brown and Warren split the vote and Brown was 2% above half. So the probabilities are those of being 2% above half. This is the right method. Otherwise, I would have computed a less than 10% chance of this result due to sampling.)

      • Angela Vierling-Claassen

        The trouble is that when we compare a tied result to a tied result and call it a shift in the whole population, that’s misleading. We would expect that when candidates are this close, some polls will have one up and some the other up. It’s not news and it’s not indicative of anything other than sampling. And a 20% chance of anything is actually fairly high in my book. If there is a 20% chance that reporting is in error, that would give an average of 1 in every 5 articles wrong — not what I want out of a news agency.

        • Pythagoras

          Any time a result along with its probabilities is reported, it’s fair and accurate reporting.

          For example, weathermen report an 80% probability of precipitation and it’s meaningful information people can use.  Should weathermen only predict rain when it has a probability above 95 percent?

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      Angela Vierling-Claasen,

      you are right about movement within the margin of error; because the movement is within the margin of error, the movement is not meaningful.

      However, there is no tie; the difference of four points is meaningful, because the result obtained is the result that had the greatest probability.

  • janesoutham

    GREAT NEWS. And with Romney surging in every state, I believe he will also tick up in Massachusetts and give Brown a boost.

  • Mangelo

    Western New England just released a poll showing Warren 5 points up so I’m calling BS on this.

  • John_of_Medford28

    Two other recent polls show Warren leading. Western New England - 9/28 through 10/4 50% – 45%  and Harsted (commissioned by Democratic Senatorial Committee 9/28 through 10/4 50% – 44%.
    My take away is I wouldn’t count much in polls.  I would consider this race as being very competitive and close with polls shifting back and forth between the candidates.  There was an excellent article that I read recently, I believe in the NYT, which I found very interesting and informative which explained how polling is done and what pollsters do to get their %.  Apparently, it isn’t as simple as determining the % who answered candidate A or candidate B as their choice.  A lot of other things also go into the mix to determine the final polling number.
    In the end, the only poll that really counts is going out and actually casting one’s ballot for the candidate of their choice.

  • flot

    “These results are based on a survey of 501 likely voters in Massachusetts in the 2012 General Election.”

    I’d bet that the off-the-cuff opinions of a mere 501 voters are indicative of absolutely nothing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QUAYWERJ5BUI4QFICNDDVVZWD4 DefendOurConstitution

    I’ve said it before, this race remains really close and it will go down to
    the wire, but it will be great to see all the Fehrstrom minions that have
    decried the WBUR polls as rigged and biased screaming today that this poll is
    the most accurate and unbiased in history!

     

    I believe the overall numbers are probably correct, but the gender
    distribution sure seems strange.  This
    poll has Brown leading among men by 17% and Warren leads among women by
    8%.  Now is there anyone that believes
    that Brown will get nearly the same support among men that he got in 2010?  Especially after he has voted against labor
    and against tax cuts for working people?
    Granted, some men bought the “regular guy” persona in 2010 and
    will stay with it, but many have seen the obstruction that Senator Brown has
    participated in (personally, Brown’s obstructing the streamlined small business
    loans in 2010 delayed my hiring an engineer for my small business by two
    months) and will not be buying it.  Among
    those are the AFL-CIO of MA, nearly 400k strong, they were barely active in 2010
    (endorsed Coakley but didn’t mobilize much die to the timing of the special
    election), but this year – after seeing Senator Brown vote against labor 75% of
    the time – they are mobilizing big time and getting their families/neighbors
    mobilized.  Most of the AFL-CIO are men,
    so I don’t think Brown has anywhere near as much support among men as he did in
    2010.

       

    Now Warren only leading among women by 8 points is even more baffling.  We have had two solid years of non-stop War
    on Women, not just in Congress but also across many states, and while this may
    not affect women in MA directly – it is clear that reproductive rights are
    under attack.  Brown sided with the Blunt
    Amendment (a bald faced lie guised under “religious freedom” but
    really a way for any insurer or employer to deny birth control if they object
    to it, nothing else was targeted but birth control; Viagra coverage? mandatory),
    told us that Scalia is his favorite Justice, and proved beyond the shadow of a
    doubt that he is in on the War on Women when he voted against the Fair Pay
    Act.  Brown has been sending PAC money to
    the likes of Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-MT) and Rep. Rick
    Berg (R-ND) – what do these House guys have to do with anything?  They all sponsored the Akin/Ryan Amendment to
    redefine rape as forcible rape. So color me stupid, but I am a guy and women
    are a lot smarter than most men and they see what goes on, so there is no way
    that Warren’s support among women is about the same as Coakley had in 2010.

     

    Another interesting point is the income distribution: Brown loses to Warren
    among people with income below $75k (the majority as the median income in MA is
    about $64k), he is tied among people that make $75k to $150k, and wins among
    those making over $150k.  Now I did not
    realize that we had such a large percentage of the population making over $150k
    that Brown ends up with a 4% advantage!
    I guess the economy of Massachusetts must be doing a lot better than I
    thought!


     

    • GCRE

      Agree to disagree on most of your points, but at least you are passionate and involved, which is great.

      My biggest gripe is this myth of the so-called War on Women. To me, this issue surfaced after concerns that the Catholic Church under Obamacare would be mandated by the government to provide contraception and abortion coverage to their at-will employees. I’m pro-choice, but having the government force the Church to do something they are morally opposed to just doesn’t seem right to me. Brown (also pro-choice) does not strike me as anti-woman AT ALL, and I’m surprised that he’s being painted with that brush.

      • jefe68

        But alas Brown is in the Republican party who has a mandate and to over turn abortion using laws that make even rape by woman’s father or brother illegal. That’s there platform, period. You can go on about all the myths and lies the GOP and the extremist on the right are filling the airwaves with about the ACA.
        However the bottom line is the Republican party is not what one would say is for woman’s health issues.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QUAYWERJ5BUI4QFICNDDVVZWD4 DefendOurConstitution

         Brown’s lie that the Blunt Amendment is to protect the Catholic Church is a patent lie.  The Blunt Amendment says nothing about religious exemptions, rather it allows ANY CORPORATION/ENTITY to deny women contraception if they object to it – of course it does not do anything about Viagra or anything else that may be objectionable to anyone, just contraception.

  • HFB3

    Only 501 people surveyed– with a 4.4% margin of error (!!) and this poll is a lead story?  While I love listening to WBUR, I find this all pretty irresponsible.  It buys into commercial media’s constant need for polling and instant opinion.  I’m disappointed.  Only careful listeners will hear the stats behind this poll, or seek out the data… 

  • CambridgeBob

    Good reporting, Fred.  Here’s a follow up idea….

    I was wondering, where did this woman come from?  Based on the primary (or lack thereof) it really seemed like she was being shoved down our throats by Deval and the national party.  Then I googled “Elizabeth Warren Consolation Prize” and came up with this:

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2011/07/14/consolation_prize_the_senate/

    Joan Venocchi, hardly a right wing Tea Party type, describing how she was awarded the Mass Senate seat by Harry Reid, et al, as a consolation prize for losing the Consumer Protection Bureau.

    I’d love to see someone dig into that back room deal, before the election.

    • jefe68

      Are you serious? Are you really this clueless as to how politics works?
      By the way I can ask the same thing about Brown and what about Brown working for nine years as a real-estate attorney, and as a
      title agent for Fidelity National, the parent company for LPS, one of
      the nastiest document forgery outfits in the business during the housing
      bubble.

      How about the fact that Scott Brown is claiming ot be a moderate when his record as state senator is anything but. He was the most conservative member in the senate.

      You sir are what I call a typical right wing double standard type. You think by degrading people you can win, maybe so. But in the end if the people of Massachusetts want someone as right wing as Scott Brown they deserve him. He’s done nothing for this state by the way.

      • CambridgeBob

        Nope,  not clueless.  In fact, I read way too much.  And don’t like the idea that Harry Reid and the national party is picking my senator, without the formality of, say, an election where I get to vote.

        It’s a story that speaks to the character issue, and needs to be told.  And as for me being a typical “right wing double standard type”, how does that jibe with Joan Vennochi, the leftist’s leftist, original reporting on this?

        • jefe68

          Again do you really think that the GOP did not vet Scott Brown?
          Do you not understand the concept of a national party and how it chooses candidates in elections?  My point is you are using one set of rules for Warren and not for Brown.
          As to you being right wing, well you are wearing that on your sleeve.

          • CambridgeBob

            Brown was born here.  Brown was a selectman.  Then a state rep.  Then a state senator.  He actually was vetted by the voters, in 25 years of local elections.

            Of course he had their blessing.  But do you think he was “given” the seat as a consolation prize?  Wake up.  She’s a carpetbagger, not an organic Massachusetts candidate.

          • jefe68

            Amazing, so to run for office in this state, according to your rules, people have to be born here.

            You’re attempt to seem unbiased is as clear as the right wing rhetoric you rode in on.

            Must be tough living in Cambridge with that kind of seething contempt for people not like you.

          • CambridgeBob

            You can be born anywhere you want.  But if you want to represent me, and my community/state, I would like to think that you  share some of my values, background, and ideas.

            If you’re a carpet-bagging convenient Cherokee who’s first priority is carrying Harry Reid’s water, that’s a disqualifier.

          • J__o__h__n

            I was born here (not that it matters) and voted for Scott Brown when he ran for his first term as state rep.  I will be voting for Elizabeth Warren. 

  • J__o__h__n

    How much value as a moderate will Scott Brown have if the Republicans take control of the Senate?  He was able to force concessions from the Democrats like eliminating a tax on banks, but has not been successful at getting his party to be more moderate.  His call for the “legitmate rape” senate candidate to drop out of the race failed.  His letter asking the Republicans to change their party platform to allow for abortions for rape victims failed. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/jay.stevens.5682944 Jay Stevens

       OK. So Brown called for Akins to withdraw. Akins refused. What do you expect Brown to do? Run Akins over with his truck?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QUAYWERJ5BUI4QFICNDDVVZWD4 DefendOurConstitution

         Brown never asked for Akin to resign his House seat and – worst of all – has donated lots of money to House Republicans that are running for the Senate and were co-sponsors of the Akin/Ryan amendments to re-define rape:

        Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-MT) and Rep. Rick Berg (R-ND).

  • Chillycat2

    So is Amy Trueblood concerned about Democrats refusing to work with Republicans….I think not… That is not something a Democrat NEVER complains about with their candidates even though Democrats go so far as to actually physically lock Republicans out of committee meetings They also never admit that 90 per cent of Dems in Congress are off the farm crazy extremists… They simply parrot the talking points the media feeds them with zero critical thinking

  • higgins1990

    4% is still within the margin of fraud  and Democratic ballot-box stuffing.  Brown, as most Republicans, needs to win by 5%.  

  • clymer

    Good to see he’s ahead. With Warren’s continued endorsement of raising taxes is evidence she doesn’t support the middle class.

  • Michael T Lyster

    “Cherish…balancing support between Democrats and Republicans”?  Really? Massachusetts?  The one in the United States, you mean?
    If ten Democratic representatives for every Republican at every level is ‘balance’, then: You’re there, Mass.
    I hope Mr Brown retains the lead over Fauxcahontas that he has clearly earned and deserves.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      Michael T Lyster,

      we have senators of both parties. From 1990 to 2002, we elected Republican governors.

      • Michael T Lyster

        Uh-huh.  And, the proportion of Democrats in the State house and Congress?
        And, the number of times people tried to claim “Kennedy’s Seat” for Ms Warren, after What’s-her-name (Ms Coakley’s formal title, outside MA) lost?

        Sorry. Any state that can put Mssrs Kennedy and Kerry into Congress for, what: about fifty years each?—isn’t exactly the image of balance. Not to mention being the only place on the planet to have voted for Michael Dukakis. You doth protest too much, Mr Thys. 

  • Armyspouse1988

    There’s just too many UnSAVORY things about Elizabeth Warren.  She can’t be trusted to do the right thing, because she has done so many WRONG things throughout her career–including numerous occasions of “hammering the middle class” for PROFIT or personal gain!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QUAYWERJ5BUI4QFICNDDVVZWD4 DefendOurConstitution

       Nice lies, keep repeating them, maybe you will convince a few people.

      • janesoutham

        Gee, did you see the poll from Sunday? Warren’s unfavorables have shot up over ten points in the last few weeks. Guess more than “a few people” have become convinced of her untrustworthiness and her trying to squirm away from evidence that  shows she has lied.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GFS7MK7YRT7KVVOROOIXTJJLHI moron

    “Massachusetts voters cherish their reputation for balancing their support between Democrats and Republicans”   Like the Kennedys and Barney Frank. Mass voters are the nation’s worst.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QUAYWERJ5BUI4QFICNDDVVZWD4 DefendOurConstitution

       If you are not from MA, get out.  If you are from MA, get out fast!

    • jefe68

      So it’s OK for a state to be red but not blue in your inane world.

    • Rogervzv

       No kidding; what garbage.  Mass. is the most one-party state in America.  What I despise about Mass. is that they ruin their state by voting for Leftist government, then they move out of Mass. to Republican states and then keep voting Democrat so that they can ruin their new states as well.  It is crazy.

      • jefe68

        Wow, do you understand the idea of a democracy? Have you ever taken a civics class?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bob-Johnson/1549060803 Bob Johnson

           Ask natives of Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont how they feel about Massachusetts carpetbaggers.  They call them Massholes for a reason.

    • jefe68

      Moron, well the name fits the inane mendacity of your comment.
      A disused term for a person with a mental age between 8 and 12.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      moron,

      we have senators from both parties. From 1990 to 2002, we elected Republican governors. 

  • el_loco_jp

    Don’t make me smile, my lips are chapped.

  • Rogervzv

    Big Chief Warren in heap big trouble for speaking with forked tongue.

    • JimmyPete

       Real important issue, something Warren did years ago, sort of like Scott pretending he drives around in an old truck. What is more important, Scott doesnt really reach across the isle. Oh he’ll throw away a vote or two when it doesn’t mean anything but break a tie or filibuster, never.  That’s where the rubber meets the road. What Brown vote for another reactionary like Scalia for Supreme and have some more Citizen’s United jammed down our throats.

      • janesoutham

        Um no it wasn’t YEARS ago, it was in the 1990s when she lied about her minority status. And she continues to do so to this day, in debates, in interviews on ads.

        News stories have even debunked her tall tale that her “Indian ” Great grandfather eloped with her great grandmother. News stories show they had a church wedding, twenty minutes from their houses and went home after the wedding

    • jefe68

      How old are you? 10?

  • Rogervzv

    As far as the state of Mass. “cherishing” voting for both parties as this article says, pass the puking bowl.  Mass. is probably the most one-party state in the Union.  Most Mass voters would sit on a block of dry ice bare-assed if their Democrat masters told them to.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      Rogervzv,

      we have senators of both parties. From 1990 to 2002, we elected Republican governors.

  • tamerlane

    “Warren actually helped Travelers Insurance set up a trust fund for victims of asbestos contamination.”  Once again, WBUR engages in yellow journalism by editorializing and omitting information damaging to Warren.

    Warren “actually” helped Travelers avoid its full liability to the victims by hiding behind Chapter 11 laws to set up a token trust fund that would have paid pennies to the dollar.  Warren is a bit of an expert on this, having helped LTV Steel (black lung), Dow-Corning (breast implants), Johns-Mansville (more asbestos) and dozens of other corporations avoid paying their full liability for pensions and disability benefits.

    • GGGB

      So you are helping the phoney beat the fake drum.  Do you look as stupid as you sound?

  • Pythagoras

    Two facts are beyond dispute:

    1) Harvard Law School listed Warren as a minority.
    2) Warren has, by far, the weakest resume of anyone ever hired to teach at Harvard Law.

    Thus, the claim that her minority status didn’t affect her hiring is implausible. She used her minority status to advance her career. Her refusal to provide evidence to counter this accusation, when counter-evidence is so desperately needed, is a further indication of guilt.

    Even if her family stories are true, she’s only 1/32 Native American, which is not enough to claim minority status.

    Seating Warren in the US Senate would be an outrage. She should be terminated from the Harvard Law staff.
     

    • janesoutham

      Remember: She doesn’t have any minority status. The country’s top geneaologists have searched high and low but have been unable to find any evidence that she has a shred of Indian blood. Twila Barnes, Cherokee researcher, did find a 1906 article from the Muskogee Sentinel that Warren’s great-grandfather – the one Warren claimed was an Indian- was WHITE and had shot and killed an Indian.

      Also please note that from 1976-1986, Warren identified herself in official documents a Rutgers, U. of Houston, U of Texas as WHITE. Then when she was applying to teach at PEnn and Harvard, the Ivy leagues, she suddenly, at age 38, started calling herself a minority.

      Then after she was hired at Harvard in 1995 she STOPPED calling herself a minority.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      Pythagoras,

      how does she have the weakest resume of anyone ever hired to teach at Harvard Law? She is one of the country’s leading authorities on bankruptcy law, a leader in using empirical techniques to teach law, and the only Harvard Law prof to ever have twice won the award for best teacher from the graduationg class.

      • Pythagoras

        Her law degree is from Rutgers. Harvard hiring someone without an Ivy League law degree was unheard of.

        Her accomplishments since coming on staff at Harvard are to her credit, but they don’t change what her resume was when she was hired. It was the weakest resume ever to have been offered a post at Harvard Law School.

        It seems clear that minority status had to have been a contributing factor in the decision to make the offer. Harvard publicising this status clearly indicates they were aware of it and considered it important.

        The same logic applies to her previous position at Penn. The charge that she used her minority status to advance her career is one that cannot just be dismissed as unlikely. Her non-responses on this issue are unacceptable.

  • rickterp

    A couple days ago, a WNEU poll had Warren up 5 over Brown. That poll had Brown winning unenrolled voters 62-35 and Warren winning Democrats 85-11. This poll, on the other hand, has Brown winning unenrolled voters 54-32 and Warren winning Democrats 72-21. So, between these two polls Brown almost doubles his Democratic support, cutting 23 points off Warren’s lead while, at the same time, his lead among the unenrolled *drops* 5 points? Very strange stuff. 

    • janesoutham

      Boston Magazine calls it the “Romney bounce.” In the poll that came out Sunday, it did say that Brown had ticked up a point and that he was strengthening and that Warren’s unfavorables had suddenly gone sky high.

      I believe Romney’s debate performance has helped all Republican candidates.

  • http://onfollowingchrist.wordpress.com Paul B.

    And of course it doesn’t merit mention in this article that Warren may have been practicing law without a license from her Harvard office, and may have tried to obscure her tracks in that regard.

    • http://www.wbur.org/people/fthys Fred Thys

      Paul B.,

      Warren was admitted to practice before the Supreme Court, which also allowed her to practice before other federal appellate courts.

      • Pythagoras

        That would matter if her practice in MA had anything to do with the federal appellate courts — which is doesn’t.

  • GlennaBailey

    Way to go Scott!  We don’t need a lying fauxahontas marxist as a senator, afterall we already have one socialist traitor in gigolo Kerry.

    • RescueKyron

      Do some vetting and find out who the Princess Professor was taught by.  Who were her professors?  Clues abound explaining brain twists.

  • http://profiles.google.com/dutra123123 Joe Dutra

    Oh my, Brown can expect Warren to now go on the war path.  She no smokum peace pipe.

    • RescueKyron

      She’s a screaming scratching meme.  Loves to flip her hair emphatically or does the hair flip because of her brain flop.  Boils down to unstable.  Doesn’t represent citizens of Massachusetts in any stretch at all.  You don’t need her.  USA doesn’t need her.  Brown will keep citizens of Massachusetts front and center.   

  • rootvg

    If Warren is trailing Brown for Teddy Kennedy’s old Senate seat, you KNOW November will be at least an Electoral bloodbath.

    Occupy was busy tearing up downtown Oakland the other night.  Look for it to continue.

  • BlakeSDavis

    Warren’s bizarre and long standing claim to be a Native American and to benefit as a result of those claims are all you need to know  about her.  High cheek bones?

    Nothing Warren has done or said during the campaign reflects well – she is an opportunist, power hungry, arrogant person, who does not deserve nor should be Senator. If she is the best the Democrats can offer then Brown will have no trouble getting re-elected. 

    Brown, on the other hand has done well in his short time as Senator, and should be re-elected.

  • rc0213

    Warren, like Obama, cannot stick the major issues of the state, like balanced budget, job creation, etc.  Instead, all she is worried about is backing up her claim that she is Native American.  Does anyone really know anything about her plans and policies to make the state  better?  I have not seen it.  Brown is needed to help with the conservative values of balanced budget, job creations and working at national level to limit government power, which is what the Founding Fathers wanted with the Right To Arms and give each state it’s own sovereignty.

    Brown 2012

  • LUV2SKICO

    What a naked pro-Warren apologist disguised as a reporter. Look for the statements of absolute fact starting with “Warren actually”  or “Warren has actually”, instead of attribution “Warren contends that …” or “Warren’s campaign counters that …”.  These are dog whistles of someone posing as an impartial reporter trying to change public opinion back.

    It’s not all rainbows and unicorns for Scott Brown though.  Despite his current lead, Brown is the incumbent and therefore one should assume the independents will break 4 to 1 for the challenger Warren.  Brown will need to have a +4 or +5 lead among likely voters in a poll that uses a 2004 turnout model to win this election.

  • Dominic

    Warren is qualified to be the checkout lady at the grocery store.My apologies to the other cashiers.

  • markgl

    Good, I couldn’t stand to see Warren in office.  God help us!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WGK3IDC46CWEEFW4VEHQWA5DXA William

    Elizabeth Warren’s baby, the CFPB, is unconstitutional. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3ISADBJUAY75M426ISUK4OZUHE starz-n-barz

    warren another worthless  scum bag lawyer

  • Mascmen7

    Warren is a good professor at Harvard so why deprive Harvard of a good professor? Claiming Cherokee 1/32 ancestry without any proof from the Cherokee nation reminds me of a Kenyan guy claiming to be an American without any verifiable proof.

  • Djack80

    How someone like Warren could get elected blows my mind.  I have to think, even in liberal MA that they will still do the right thing.  Her claim to be native american should be more then enough to show the average voter that she has been gaming the system for decades and is totally full of $#!t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/GordsPolish Gordon Crissey

    Just like was predicted. The media would bait the election and skew the polls. They filter everything out of the Romney campaign. Side with the democrats until four to five weeks from the election and so they save face they start to slowly publish the correct facts however so slightly trying to save face with the advertisers as we get closer to the elections. Because if it weren’t for advertisers there would be no CNN, MSNBC, NPR, or HLN because no one in their right minds would spend any money with these four left wing stab the conservatives in the back so called media news outlet. Twisted 1 sided media.
    I guess I can finally start watching SNL as they have finally lowered the blinders and seen all the good material the Obama/Biden bunch are providing them. It’s a treasure chest of gold. 

    George Noory has more accurate facts than the democratic party does today.

  • Mascmen7

    Romney 2 points behind in Pennsylvania. Trend is for Romney/Ryan. Massachusetts the creator of presidents has a chance to add one more in Romney. George H.W. Bush was born at Milton Hospital. JFK was born in Brookline. Calvin Coolidge’s widow Grace from Northhampton attended all Red Sox games by train.

  • http://twitter.com/vdanifu Mr Smith

    …Warren’s decision to represent Travelers Insurance in its 2009 attempt to avoid paying compensation to thousands of workers with asbestos poisoning.  Warren insisted that by representing Travelers (“it was an insurance company versus another insurance company” she
    later explained), she actually helped the poisoned workers by getting
    Travelers to set up a trust fund, which was better than nothing.  The
    settlement was later negated by the Supreme Court, leaving the victims
    with nothing.

    http://trueliberalnexus.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/elizabeth-warrens-lies-catching-up-with-her/

  • morefandave

    Only in Masssachusetts would a fraudulent Cherokee who practises law without a license be even within 4 points of her Republican opponent (well, maybe D.C.).

  • Still One More Debate

    I keep seeing these polls and I wonder…why hasn’t anyone asked me who I am voting for?  The race is still on.

  • Duude

    Elizabeth Warren’s work with Travelers’ is proof enough if there’s a dollar she can make, she’s there. That will be the same thing if big banks lobby her. She can be bought.

  • http://twitter.com/vdanifu Mr Smith

    “…

    Warren Had To Destroy Cajun Electric In Order To Save It?

    I’m not from Massachusetts, and I’m perfectly willing to let the good
    people of Massachusetts decide who their Senators should be without my
    assistance. But I do think you’re entitled to the facts before you vote,
    and in at least one respect Professor Warren is not being accurate in
    her description of one of the cases she handled.

    Rather than working to save a rural electric cooperative, Warren
    represented a large utility which sought to liquidate the cooperative
    and purchase the cooperative’s main asset, a large coal burning plant
    north of Baton Rouge.

    …”

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/10/elizabeth-warren-represented-large-utility-seeking-to-liquidate-rural-electric-cooperative/

  • Warren is a Joke

    Warren is a phony Native American. That’s the opinion of my wife, who is 1/4 Native American from the Quinault Tribe, as well as all her N.A. relatives as well. Warren dodged a meeting with other Native Americans at the Democratic National Convetion who wanted to question her claims of Native American ancestry. What does that tell you about this liar?

  • Duude

     I disagree. The time to report facts isn’t till after the election.

  • Duude

     She isn’t a lawyer.

  • MustangMajor

    Big choice. Brown is a RINO and votes like a Democrat most of the time anyway. Massachusetts is my birth State. Is Brown the best that you can come up with now?

    • http://www.facebook.com/chriss.markey Chriss Markey

      Be realistic. This is Massachusetts; Land of the Mindless Liberal. Even they lie about who they are: A hugh majority voters claim to be Independent in MA. Baloney. You want to be elected in Massachusetts? You cannot be a ‘real’ Republican.

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