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NPRHoly Baboon! A 'Mystical' Moment In Africa

I'm not saying something magical happened. I can't. Because I'm not a baboon.

And neither is Barbara Smuts, though she spent years in the field in East Africa studying baboons.

What The Professor Saw

What Smuts saw one day in Africa while watching a troop of some 30 baboons is one of the more mysterious baboon tales ever. Her account was published in the Journal of Consciousness Studies a few years ago, and when I told the story to my co-host Jad Abumrad, on NPR and WNYC's Radiolab, he was leery. He couldn't explain what the baboons did, but when I proposed an explanation, he found it ridiculous.

Here's what happened:

Smuts was following a small group of Gombe baboons on the eastern edge of Kenya. She'd been with them seven days a week for weeks and weeks, joining them before dawn, spending 10 hours a day just following, watching and taking notes. One day, she says, the whole noisy group was ambling back to its "sleeping trees" (baboons sleep off the ground, up on the limbs of trees or cliffs to keep away from predators) along the shore of a stream. "I followed them walking along this stream many, many times before and many times after," she says, "but this time was different."

The Quiet Was Total

All of a sudden, Smuts says, "without any signal perceptible to me," every one of the baboons, the adults, the little ones, all of them, stopped walking and sat down on the edge of a pool of water. They not only stopped walking; they stopped talking. "Even the little kids, and you know kids are always making noises, but even they got quiet."

The quiet was total. "I really wondered what was going on," says Smuts. The baboons didn't focus on any one thing. They all, or most of them, gazed down into the little pool right below them and hardly moved. There was no fidgeting, no touching or grooming, no discernible activity, just a communal "almost sacramental" contemplation. Smuts calls it a "sacred" quiet.

A Baboon Secret?

Then, after a short period of time, "again with no perceptible signal," the troop came alive and resumed its noisy walk down the stream.

Barbara Smuts is the only scientist ever to have described behavior like this among baboons. "Although I've spent years with baboons, I witnessed this only twice, both times at Gombe," she writes, "I have never heard another primatologist recount such an experience. I sometimes wonder if, on those two occasions, I was granted a glimpse of a dimension of baboon life they do not normally expose to people. These moments reminded me how little we know about the more-than-human world."

The big dangling question here is the oddball possibility that a troop of monkeys (baboons are not apes, they are more distant from us) might have the capacity for a kind of group expression of wonder or rapture or thanks. Only baboons know what they were doing during those moments Barbara Smuts saw, and though my broadcast partner Jad is right to be skeptical, I can't give up the idea that maybe groups of highly social, communicative animals might, on occasion, address the mysteries of their (and our) world.

The radio story was produced by Robert Krulwich, Jad Abumrad and Soren Wheeler for Radiolab and NPR.

Copyright 2012 National Public Radio. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.

Transcript

RENEE MONTAGNE, host:

Most biologists who study baboons have spent an enormous amount of time in the field - sitting, watching, taking careful notes. Most of the time there's not much to see. The baboons eat, groom, fight, sleep. Today we have a story about a bit of baboon behavior that is a little more unusual and it comes to us from our friends at RADIOLAB.

(Soundbite of sound effects)

JAD ABUMRAD: Hello, Renee.

MONTAGNE: Hello, Jad. And that's Jad Abumrad from WNYC.

ROBERT KRULWICH: And this is me, Robert Krulwich.

MONTAGNE: And guys, before we get started, since we haven't spoken in just a -in a little while, remind our listeners what RADIOLAB is.

KRULWICH: RADIOLAB is a place where we explore very big ideas that make us rethink ourselves

ABUMRAD: And the world around us.

KRULWICH: In this case, I was thinking about a rather odd moment of baboon behavior.

Professor BARBARA SMUT (University of Michigan): Hi, this is Barb.

ABUMRAD: Hi, Barb.

KRULWICH: Hi, Barb. Who is Barb, by the way?

(Soundbite of laughter)

KRULWICH: Barb Smuts is an anthropologist and a psychologist at the University of Michigan.

Prof. SMUT: Where I teach courses on animal behavior.

KRULWICH: And she told me a story that I really want you to hear.

ABUMRAD: Hmm-hmm. Okay.

KRULWICH: It starts a bunch of years ago. She was doing some field research with some baboons in Kenya.

Prof. SMUT: Well, my job was to get them comfortable enough with me that I could follow them around all day and record what they were doing.

KRULWICH: And how long would you spend with them?

Prof. SMUT: About 10 or 11 hours.

KRULWICH: For how many days a week?

Prof. SMUT: Seven.

(Soundbite of laughter)

KRULWICH: For weeks at a time or a month at a time?

Prof. SMUT: Two years.

KRULWICH: Two years.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Prof. SMUT: Yeah.

KRULWICH: And your job was to sort of hang around them?

Prof. SMUT: Yes. I would go wherever they went.

(Soundbite of music)

KRULWICH: As she told me about this time when something really, really mysterious happened.

Prof. SMUT: Yes. Mm-hmm.

KRULWICH: Okay, so set the scene for us. You were in kind of a valley?

Prof. SMUT: Yeah, we're fairly open grasslands.

KRULWICH: And you are with how many baboons?

Prof. SMUT: About 30 animals, 35. And there's a stream.

(Soundbite of running water)

ABUMRAD: Oh, there is a stream. I thought I would, you know, add one. This isn't the stream, is it?

KRULWICH: No. It's - I'm just enhancing your narrative just a little bit to give you a sense, you know?

ABUMRAD: Hmm.

KRULWICH: So imagine the baboons.

(Soundbite of running water)

Prof. SMUT: They're heading back toward their sleeping place.

(Soundbite of baboon's voice)

Prof. SMUT: Grunting at each other and greeting each other.

(Soundbite of baboon)

ABUMRAD: These are baboons we are hearing, like real baboons?

KRULWICH: Yeah. Well, they're not Barb's baboons, but they're absolutely real baboons.

Prof. SMUT: And I followed them walking along the stream many, many times before and many times after, but this time it was different.

KRULWICH: Because this time�

(Soundbite of music)

KRULWICH: All of a sudden�

Prof. SMUT: They all stopped moving�

(Soundbite of baboon)

Prof. SMUT: �pretty much all at the same time.

(Soundbite of baboon's voice)

Prof. SMUT: And they got very, very quiet.

(Soundbite of running water)

Prof. SMUT: Even the little kids stopped there. You know, the kids are always making noises, and even they got quiet.

KRULWICH: What were they all doing?

Prof. SMUT: Everybody sat down on a rock and most of them looked down into the stream. Like into a little pool that was right below them.

KRULWICH: And then what?

Prof. SMUT: They didn't do anything. They just sat there in complete silence.

(Soundbite of running water)

KRULWICH: It sounds like they were almost doing a, you know, a Quaker kind of thing.

Prof. SMUT: It felt to me like a sacred moment.

KRULWICH: The quiet was�

Prof. SMUT: But�

KRULWICH: �that quiet?

Prof. SMUT: It was that quiet. It was unlike anything I had ever experienced with them before. The baboons are almost never completely quiet. Even when they're sleeping�

(Soundbite of chuckle)

Prof. SMUT: �there is noise.

KRULWICH: And how long did it last?

Prof. SMUT: At least five minutes. And then they all got up.

(Soundbite of music)

Prof. SMUT: And resumed their march down to the sleeping place like they always did.

(Soundbite of baboons)

ABUMRAD: Has anyone else ever seen baboons do this?

KRULWICH: Barbara Smut says she is the only scientist ever to have seen and written down a behavior like this.

Prof. SMUT: Maybe it's more common than I think it is. I don't know, but I felt as if I got a glimpse into a part of baboon life that humans just don't get to see.

(Soundbite of music)

ABUMRAD: So then what?

KRULWICH: That's all I'm going to tell you.

ABUMRAD: What do you mean?

KRULWICH: That's it.

ABUMRAD: That's it?

KRULWICH: Mm-hmm.

ABUMRAD: I mean what were they doing? Don't you want to know what they were really doing?

KRULWICH: Well, how can I know that? Can't like - all I'm saying is that maybe there is something - I'm suggesting.

ABUMRAD: No, I know what you're suggesting. I mean, you said it yourself, Quaker thing and here we are in the holidays and this is like a�

KRULWICH: A little�

ABUMRAD: I know what you are trying to do here. What with - maybe they were looking at a fish.

(Soundbite of laughter)

KRULWICH: The kids weren't making any movements. They weren't looking at a fish. She said they were not looking at anyone...

ABUMRAD: She says they were looking down at the pool.

KRULWICH: Yes, I left out the part where she says they're not looking at anyone. I mean, they're all looking together into a�

ABUMRAD: Into the water.

KRULWICH: Into empty space.

ABUMRAD: (Unintelligible) so how do you get from that to like Quaker?

KRULWICH: Well, the capacity�

ABUMRAD: Quaker baboons.

(Soundbite of laughter)

ABUMRAD: Come on.

KRULWICH: I'm suggesting that baboons have inner lives.

ABUMRAD: Yeah, sure, I'll give you that, but�

KRULWICH: That's a lot.

ABUMRAD: You gave me a lot just then.

(Soundbite of music)

MONTAGNE: Robert�

(Soundbite of laughter)

MONTAGNE: �let me throw in with Jad. What are you saying?

ABUMRAD: All I'm saying, really, is that we know that baboons have a sense of fairness, they have a sense of empathy, they lead complex social lives. So why wouldn't they be capable perhaps of some kind of wonder or rapture or even thanks. To pay no attention to Jad. He's a - one of those who hates Christmas, that's what he is.

MONTAGNE: I'm not going to be a Scrooge. Okay, I am�

ABUMRAD: Scrooge. He's a Scrooge.

(Soundbite of laughter)

MONTAGNE: Sorry, Jad, but I'm okay with the mystery.

KRULWICH: Me too.

ABUMRAD: I'm okay - for now.

MONTAGNE: All right. Well, thank you for now, Jad and Robert, for stopping in.

ABUMRAD: Thanks, Renee.

KRULWICH: You're welcome. I think.

(Soundbite of laughter)

MONTAGNE: And that is, I know, Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich from the show RADIOLAB. It's a production of WNYC and you can explore RADIOLAB at npr.org.

This is, by the way, MORNING EDITION. I'm Renee Montagne.

LINDA WERTHEIMER, host:

And I'm Linda Wertheimer. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright National Public Radio.

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