A Taste For Everything: 'Lost' Showrunners Pick DVDs

Damon Lindelof, Carlton Cuse - Damon Lindelof (left) and Carlton Cuse are executive producers for the TV series
Our occasional DVD-recommendations series returns with picks from a pair of Hollywood insiders, and the minds behind one of the most popular dramas on television. Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are what's called "showrunners," and the show they run is called Lost. Its final season premieres next week.
The men joined NPR's Steve Inskeep for a half-hour conversation about their favorite DVDs, and what emerged is that their tastes run from country-music biopics to rock 'n' roll mockumentaries to twisty, surreal sci-fi stories. (Go figure.)
But they don't always agree.
"In fact, we don't make eye contact with each other," Lindelof jokes. "And we only address each other directly when we're being interviewed."
When they really do differ, Cuse says, their disagreements sometimes become plot points.
"Particularly, there's a latent Yankees-Red Sox rivalry that's sort of embedded in the show," Cuse says. "That has a lot to do with our individual rooting interests.
Their DVD picks are below — and at left above, you'll find the full-length audio from their conversation with Steve Inskeep, which just might contain a few hints about how they might tie up the tangled threads of Lost.
Carlton Cuse's picks:
Sweet Dreams (1985) The first movie Cuse worked on in Hollywood, this Patsy Cline biopic stars Jessica Lange as the country singer (the title was one of her signature songs) and Ed Harris as her husband. Cuse was an assistant to the producer and the director, spending five months on location in Tennessee and West Virginia. It was then, he says, that he "actually learned how a movie gets made." The experience made an impression: "I got to see some really interesting behind-the-scenes things. When I rewatched it for this interview, it was amazing how all the memories came back, of witnessing literally every scene of that movie getting filmed."
"Jessica Lange inhabited the role," Cuse says. "When I first met her, she had just done a movie called Country with Sam Shepard, and she was rail-thin ... this was about struggling farmers. And she put on weight, and started speaking in this rolling Virginia accent, and she really became the embodiment of Patsy Cline. One day we were sitting in the barn with Owen Bradley, and she was practicing the [song] tracks, and Hilda Hensley, who was Patsy Cline's mother and who was still alive at the time, came into the studio. And she saw Jessica Lange doing this, and she just burst into tears. It was incredibly emotional."
"I'd actually never heard Carlton talk about this before, but it does explain why he often lip-syncs to Patsy Cline music," Lindelof cracks. "That's one mystery solved."
One more thing about Sweet Dreams: It's Cuse's acting debut. "Literally the first time — I never was in a school play," he says. Director Karel Reisz "thought it was funny to put me in the movie, I think." So look for Cuse as a soldier at an Army post, offering driving directions to Lange's Patsy Cline. "I think I said something very profound like, 'Go down here and take a left.' "
"And he got that in 15 takes," Lindelof jokes. "If it weren't for you in that movie, Patsy Cline would still be driving around looking for her destination."
The Prisoner (1968) Your excuse to upgrade your home-entertainment setup, if you haven't: "If you buy or rent The Prisoner, get it on Blu-ray, because the transfer on Blu-ray is really tremendous, and there are some other editions out that are really inferior," Cuse says.
The BBC series aired in 1968 in the U.S. "They only made 17 episodes of it, but it still has this incredible, profound legacy," not least because it paved the way for a kind of TV show that didn't feel the need to explain itself.
Patrick McGoohan plays an ex-spy who has been gassed, spirited away to an unfamiliar seaside village and kept prisoner there by shadowy forces.
"It was incredibly mysterious, and very purposely ambiguous, and it had a huge influence on me," Cuse says. "I think it became a cornerstone series that we referred to in creating Lost. ... Creating these really unsettling mysteries was first done in this series really effectively."
Children of Men (2006) "A terrific movie with a terrible title," Cuse says. "I think the title is a Catholic allegory from Psalm 90, the King James Version. Blade Runner — that's a good title for a sci-fi movie." The premise, taken from P.D. James' novel: In a war-torn future where humans have lost the ability to reproduce, a dispirited activist (Clive Owen) escorts a miraculously pregnant woman to a safe haven. It's not an easy trip.
"It's a tremendous action movie, and the director [Alfonso Cuaron] does some incredible things," Cuse says. "There's this action sequence in it — without spoiling the movie — it's basically over 4 minutes, and it's all one continuous shot."
Beyond that: Shot on a tight budget, Children of Men is "a tremendous realization of a future world," and "a wonderful movie with ... wonderful thematics about the possibilities of hope in a bleak future." Plus, it's full of "these amazing little special treats — like Michael Caine is in this movie, and he does this great turn as a futuristic hippie named Jasper Palmer. And this character was supposedly modeled by Caine on his friend John Lennon."
Damon Lindelof's picks:
The Limey (1999) "First off, I love economy in storytelling. The Limey is actually under 90 minutes ... so it just kind of flies right by you. It's basically a revenge story: Terence Stamp plays a career criminal who's just gotten out of prison, and his daughter has died in Los Angeles, supposedly as a result of falling asleep behind the wheel. ... His instincts tell him that this is not the case. ... So it's a very simple story, but the way that it's told is completely out of order."
And as Lost fans know, "we love nonlinear storytelling," says Lindelof, who worked a job as a movie-theater usher in his teens. On his 15-minute break, he'd watch "whatever part of the movie was on. ... I would go and see Pretty Woman, and I'd see the middle of the movie first, and then I'd go, 'How did Julia Roberts and Richard Gere meet here?' ... The Limey sort of purposefully does that."
Bonus greatness on the DVD version? "Lem Dobbs is the guy who wrote the screenplay," Lindelof explains. "He and Steven Soderbergh get into arguments over and over again on the commentary track of this movie, where Lem Dobbs is basically saying 'This is my intent, Steven Soderbergh, and you completely screwed it up.' And Soderbergh is basically saying, 'Well, everybody kinda liked it.'"
Timecrimes (2007) The Lost team "spent an amazing amount of time last year, in the fifth season of the show, doing what we affectionately refer to as 'the time travel season,' and we would be up until the wee hours of the morning bending our brains around the Grandfather Paradox," Lindelof says. So when a friend e-mailed to ask if they'd seen Timecrimes, it got their attention.
"It's the kind of storytelling that we happen to love, which is: You drop into the middle of a story, and you have no idea what's going on until about midway through. It's very simple; there are only about four characters in the entire movie."
The setup: A man, at home with his wife, sees a bloodied, bandaged man in the woods outside and goes in pursuit. The gimmick: The filmmaker himself plays what Lindelof likes to call "the Johnny the Explainer role."
"This is another phrase we use in Lost, which is, 'Every once in a while, Johnny the Explainer needs to come strolling out of the jungle and tell you what the hell is going on.' But in this case — not to spoil too much — what we love is when Johnny the Explainer is completely unreliable." Think The Usual Suspects, another Lindelof favorite. "When the person who's narrating the movie is sometimes lying to you, it can make for a very interesting story. ... But in our opinion, Timecrimes is a movie that, when it ends, it is a perfect ending — it sticks the landing, there are no dangling threads. Every single question you have going through it is answered, and it's tied up in a neat little bow."
This Is Spinal Tap (1984) "I was around 11 or 12, I think, when it came out, and ... I had no comprehension of what a 'mockumentary' was," Lindelof confesses. The upshot: "The second time I saw it was, I was in college at NYU, and I was talking about this documentary that I had seen and really liked, and everybody was looking at me like I was the hugest idiot of all time."
What makes the movie work in part, Lindelof says, is that "they don't always go for the joke. ... You're really rooting for these guys to reconcile and get back together, because the fact of the matter is that it's over for the band. ... There's real emotion there, and that's derived from the fact that they're completely committed to the reality of their world."
In fact, Lindelof's favorite thing about the DVD is that "those guys do the commentary in character. ... It's really a monumental achievement in comedy filmmaking, and I think when you look at television shows like The Office — both the U.K. edition and the American version — and now Modern Family, the idea of faux documentary was really invented and catalyzed by This Is Spinal Tap. And no matter when that movie is on, I will watch it, from wherever I flick the channel until it ends. I like it that much."
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STEVE INSKEEP, host:
Our series on DVD recommendations, video you can watch at home, continues today with a pair of Hollywood insiders, the minds behind one of the most popular shows on television.
Mr. DAMON LINDELOF (Executive Producer, "Lost"): Im Damon Lindelof. Im the co-creator and executive producer of "Lost."
Mr. CARLTON CUSE (Executive Producer, "Lost"): And I am Carlton Cuse. And Im a writer and executive producer of "Lost."
INSKEEP: So you have each sent us some films here. Im must start with Carlton Cuse. Youve got a film called "Children of Men" from 2006.
Mr. CUSE: "Children of Men" is a - its a terrific movie with a terrible title. You know, "Blade Runner" that's a good title for a science-fiction movie, and I think that thats one of the reasons it was sort of under appreciated. Basically, it stars Clive Owen as this sort of ex-activist who is drawn into a plan to transport an illegal who is eight months pregnant to the English coast. Now the thing about this futuristic world is that nobody can have children. The human species has lost the ability to reproduce. So this one pregnant woman sort of represents the future of all humanity.
(Soundbite of film, "Children of Men")
Ms. MISHAL HUSAIN (Actor): (As Newsreader) The world was stunned today by the death of Diego Ricardo, the youngest person on the planet. Baby Diego was stabbed outside a bar in Buenos Aires after refusing to sign an autograph.
Mr. ROB CURLING (Actor): (As Newsreader) Born in 2009, he struggled all his life with the celebrity status thrust upon him as the worlds youngest person.
INSKEEP: Because you feel that the title alone may have prevented a great movie from getting the attention it deserved, Im curious if you guys considered a bunch of other titles before you settled on "Lost."
Mr. LINDELOF: The provenance of the title was basically ABC had a script that they had been developing with Aaron Spelling, producer of all those great night time soaps and...
Mr. CUSE: "Charlies Angels."
Mr. LINDELOF: ..."Melrose Place" and "90210." It was basically about people crashing on an island, and they took their shirts off and had copious sex with each other and - but the show kind of didnt go anywhere from there, and that show was called "Nowhere." And I think everybody basically agreed, at ABC, that "Nowhere" was sort of a very bad title but...
(Soundbite of laughter)
Mr. LINDELOF: ...that youre opening yourself up to the slings and arrows of the critics.
(Soundbite of laughter)
Mr. CUSE: Yes.
Mr. LINDELOF: So after slightly kicking around "Somewhere," we basically ended up with "Lost."
INSKEEP: Well, okay, so were on one word titles here, maybe are better. What, Damon, caused you to list the film "Timecrimes" on your DVD recommendations here?
Mr. LINDELOF: This is a Spanish film made by a guy named Nacho Vigalondo. Its the kind of storytelling that we happen to love, which is you drop into the middle of the story and you have no idea whats going on until about midway through. There are only four characters in the entire movie. And it basically starts with a guy who is at home with his wife, and he sees this dude in the woods whose face is wrapped up in these very bloody bandages, and the guy basically goes in pursuit of this man and thus begins the story.
And the filmmaker actually plays sort of a key role in the movie. He plays the sort of Johnny the Explainer role. This is another phrase we used in "Lost" which is every once in a while Johnny the Explainer needs to sort of come strolling out of the jungle and tell you what the hell is going on.
(Soundbite of laughter)
Mr. LINDELOF: But in this case, in "Timecrimes" - not to spoil it too much -what we love is when Johnny the Explainer is completely unreliable and this is something that is used in the "The Usual Suspects," another one of my favorite movies. But when the person who is narrating the movie is sometimes lying to you, it can make for a very interesting story.
INSKEEP: Another thing on your list here. This is Carlton Cuses list - "The Prisoner." Whats that about?
Mr. CUSE: "The Prisoner" is one of the great, kind of, classic television shows of all times. It was made in 1968. Its a British series, and it basically stars Patrick McGoohan as a spy who resigns his job with the British Intelligence Service. And he goes home and hes basically gassed and when he comes to, he is in this mysterious seaside village, just referred to as the village. And hes a prisoner there and everyone in this village is referred to by a number. And the village is led by Number Two and you dont know who Number One is.
(Soundbite of film, "The Prisoner")
Mr. PATRICK MCGOOHAN (Actor): (As Number Six) Who are you?
Mr. PATRICK CARGILL (Actor): (As Number Two) The new Number Two.
Mr. MCGOOHAN: (As Number Six) Who is number one?
Mr. CARGILL: (As Number Two) You are number six.
Mr. MCGOOHAN: (As Number Six) I am not a number. Im a free man.
(Soundbite of laughter)
Mr. CUSE: I saw this as a kid and it was so different from any other television shows. Because television shows, you know, that the, kind of, goal always is to make everything explicit - to make sure that you really understand everything. And this show was incredibly mysterious and very purposefully ambiguous.
INSKEEP: Now when you talk about a sprawling and complex mystery - that gets us to the final choice that we have on our list here - Damons choice. "This is Spinal Tap."
Mr. LINDELOF: I think the movie came out in 1984 or 1985, because I was around 11 or 12 when it came out, and I went to go see it in the theater with my Dad. And when I saw it, I was like, this is a real band. They actually make music. Ive never really heard of them, but they are very funny guys.
Then the second time that I saw it, you know, in college at NYU, when I was talking about this documentary that I had seen and really liked, and everyone was looking at me like I was the hugest idiot of all time.
(Soundbite of laughter)
Mr. LINDELOF: They said, you know, that thats not real. Those guys were like on Saturday Night Live. Thats Michael McKean and Harry Shearer and Rob Reiner directed it. And I go, oh yeah, I know he directed it. Hes talking to the camera. But he said his name is Marty something. And the great thing about the "Spinal Tap" DVD is those guys do the commentary in character. Theyre so committed to the reality of this world
INSKEEP: Lets listen to a little bit of "This is Spinal Tap." We hear here, Christopher Guest who is playing a rock musician, and hes showing his roomful of guitars to Rob Reiner whos playing the director of this film. Lets listen.
(Soundbite of film, "This is Spinal Tap")
Mr. CHRISTOPHER GUEST (Actor): (As Nigel Tufnel) This one is just it's perfect, 1959, you know, just - you cannot - listen.
Mr. ROBERT REINER (Actor): (As Marty DiBergi) How much does this
Mr. GUEST: (As Nigel Tufnel) Just listen for a minute.
Mr. REINER: (As Marty DiBergi) Im not
Mr. GUEST: (As Nigel Tufnel) This sustain.
Mr. REINER: (As Marty DiBergi) Im not hearing anything.
Mr. GUEST: (As Nigel Tufnel) You would though if it were playing. Really its famous for its sustain.
Mr. REINER: (As Marty DiBergi) Yeah.
Mr. GUEST: (As Nigel Tufnel) I mean you can just hold it ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh(ph).
And you could go and have a bite an' you'd still be hearin' that one.
Mr. REINER: (As Marty DiBergi) Yeah.
INSKEEP: You talked about them being really committed to the role in the commentary alongside. Isnt that the key to something like this? You can never wink at the audience or the film dies. You have to be totally sincere, seeming, all the way through.
Mr. LINDELOF: Thats it and whats amazing about the movie is they dont always go for the joke. Theres real emotion there and that only is derived from the fact that theyre completely committed to the reality of their world. And again, to kind of bring it back around to "Lost," because we look at each other all the time and the writers, all the writers and go, this is the most ridiculous show in the history of television shows. What the hell do we think were doing? But I think in our writing, we have to be so committed to the fact that its not ridiculous.
Mr. CUSE: But thank God for a brilliant actors who basically takes these crazy premises and - premisi?
Mr. LINDELOF: Premises?
Mr. CUSE: Premises. And theyre fully committed, and it is a lot like "Spinal Tap." I mean they actually give everything to every scene no matter how ridiculous the concept is behind it. And thats what sells it. And I think, if - you know, story telling is a lot about conviction, and we feel like if youre committed as a writer and the actors are committed, then the audience will go along for the ride.
INSKEEP: Well, Carlton and Damon thanks very much to both of you.
Mr. CUSE: Thank you.
Mr. LINDELOF: Thank you, sir.
INSKEEP: Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, executive producers of the TV series "Lost" which is about to sustain one more season. You can get clues about the finale by checking out the extended version of our conversation at npr.org.
Its MORNING EDITION from NPR News. Im Steve Inskeep.
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