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NPRU.S. Scientists Urge Action On Climate Change

Icebergs float in a bay off Ammassalik Island, Greenland. (John McConnico / AP)

The nation's pre-eminent scientific organization says the Earth is definitely warming and is calling on the government to organize a massive and sustained effort to slow that warming.

The National Research Council in Washington also says scientists need to figure out how to predict and limit the effects of climate change, and how to adapt.

There are a lot of uncertainties about the future, and the uncertainties are in large part because we don't know what people are going to do.
–Pamela Matson, Stanford University

The report from the NRC is the culmination of two years' work and is the most comprehensive it has issued on climate to date. NRC is the place the government and Congress go to get answers to tricky scientific questions. It's part of the National Academy of Sciences and essentially deputizes science's top guns to tackle those questions.

Tuesday Robert Fri, an M.B.A. and energy analyst at the economic think tank Resources for the Future, summed up the NRC panel's view on climate change. "A principal conclusion of our report is that the country needs both a prompt and a sustained national commitment to reducing greenhouse gas emissions," Fri said. Those emissions are mostly carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels like coal, oil and natural gas.

Scientist Call For Cutting Emissions

Although the report leaves the decision-making to politicians, it does get more prescriptive than previous academy climate studies. For example, it states that the annual emissions from American factories, power plants, cars, agriculture and the like -- about 7 billion tons of greenhouse gases -- must be cut at least a third. The report says total emissions over the next 40 years should not exceed 200 billion tons.

"How hard is it to do the job?" Fri said. "Well, it turns out, meeting that emissions budget is a very challenging task."

A task, says Fri, that will require a price on carbon emissions as well as inventing technologies that don't exist yet.

What does exist now is scientific evidence of warming. But earth scientist Pamela Matson from Stanford University, who led the report's section on the state of the science, says measuring what's happening now isn't enough anymore.

"The scientific community would say that this is a core fact. Basically, that climate is changing," says Matson.

"We also have a lot more lines of evidence now indicating that humans are in large part the reason that the increase in temperature is occurring. What we haven't done as much of is focus enough attention on what to do about that."

Planning For An Uncertain Future

The report says scientists need to spend more time figuring out what's going to change. For example, how will higher temperatures affect agriculture? And where and when? Matson says that's a moving target largely guided by how much fossil energy people will be using.

"There are a lot of uncertainties about the future," Matson said, "and the uncertainties are in large part because we don't know what people are going to do."

And what people do, Matson adds, may depend on how well scientists explain what they know. "We miscommunicate all the time," Matson says.

"For example, we use the term 'uncertainty' all the time in science; it represents a quantitative statement of how well we know something. But think of what uncertainty means for most people -- it means we don't know."

The point of this report, she and its authors say, is to show that scientists do know that something must be done to keep the Earth's climate from heading into uncharted territory.

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Transcript

MICHELE NORRIS, host:

From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Michele Norris.

ROBERT SIEGEL, host:

And I'm Robert Siegel.

The nation's preeminent scientific organization said today that the earth is definitely warming and that scientists need to figure out how to predict and limit the effects of climate change. And it didn't stop there. It also called on the government to organize a massive and sustained effort to slow global warming.

NPR's Christopher Joyce reports on the two-year research effort behind today's announcement.

CHRISTOPHER JOYCE: The National Research Council is where Congress and the government go to get answers to tricky scientific questions. It's part of the National Academy of Sciences and essentially deputizes science's top guns to tackle those questions.

Today, though, it was Robert Fri, an M.B.A. and energy analyst at the economic think tank Resources for the Future, who summed up the NRC panel's view on climate change.

Mr. ROBERT FRI (Energy Analyst, Resources for the Future): A principal conclusion of our report is that the country needs both a prompt and a sustained national commitment to reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

JOYCE: That's mostly carbon dioxide, mainly from burning fossil fuels like coal, oil and natural gas.

Although the report leaves the decision-making to politicians, it does get more prescriptive than previous academy climate studies. For example, it states that the annual emissions from American factories, power plants, cars, agriculture and the like - it's about seven billion tons of greenhouse gases - must be cut at least a third. The report says total emissions over the next 40 years should not exceed 200 billion tons.

Mr. FRI: How hard is it to do the job? Well, it turns out, meeting that emissions budget is a very challenging task.

JOYCE: One, says Fri, that will require a price on carbon emissions as well as inventing technologies that don't even exist yet. What does exist now is scientific evidence of warming. But earth scientist Pam Matson from Stanford University, who led the report section on the state of the science, says measuring what's happening now isn't enough anymore.

Professor PAM MATSON (Earth Science, Stanford University): The scientific community would say this is a core fact, basically, that climate is changing. We also have a lot more lines of evidence now indicating that humans are in large part the reason that that increase in temperature is occurring. What we haven't done as much of is focus our attention on what to do about that.

JOYCE: The report says scientists need to spend more time figuring out what's going to change. For example, how will higher temperatures affect agriculture? And where and when? Matson says that's a moving target and it's largely guided by how much fossil energy people will be using.

Prof. MATSON: There are a lot of uncertainties about the future and the uncertainties are in large part because we don't know what people are going to do.

JOYCE: And what people do, Matson adds, may depend on how well scientists explain what they know.

Prof. MATSON: We miscommunicate all the time. For example, we use the term uncertainty all the time in science. It represents a quantitative statement of how well we know something. But think of what uncertainty means for most people - it means we don't know.

JOYCE: The point of this report, she and its authors say, is to show that scientists do know that something must be done to keep the Earth's climate from heading into uncharted territory.

Christopher Joyce, NPR News. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright National Public Radio.

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