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Host Michele Norris talks with Andy Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. The latest numbers from Pew suggest the public is pretty evenly divided on who they would blame for a government shutdown — if one were to occur: 36 percent say they would blame Republicans, and 35 percent say they would blame President Obama. The center also polled about a thousand people about the issues involved in the budget showdown in Wisconsin over the past week. The poll finds that a plurality — 42-percent — sides more with the public employee unions, while 31 percent say they side with Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker. Walker has proposed a bill to strip most public employee unions of their bargaining rights.