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Would The Buffett Rule Help The U.S. Economy?

President Obama makes a case for the tax proposal dubbed the "Buffett rule" Tuesday at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Fla. (Getty Images)

A tax-the-rich proposal named after Warren Buffett has little chance of passing this year, but that hasn't stopped the debate over what impact it would have.

Some economists are skeptical that a 30 percent minimum tax on people with million-dollar incomes — known as the "Buffett rule" — would do much to reduce the deficit or boost the economy. But the Obama administration says the proposal is necessary to make the tax code more equitable.

The Buffett rule would apply to wealthy people, but not all wealthy people. Instead, it would affect the tiny number of taxpayers — some of the nation's wealthiest — who make most of their money from investments.

Rob Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center, says the proposed rule would not affect many of the people we think of as "very rich."

"For high income people who get a lot of their income from wage and salaries — the George Clooneys of the world, LeBron James, the CEOs — those people would not see an effect from the Buffett tax, because they're already paying tax rates above 30 percent," Williams says.

But, he says, wealthy people who get their money from assets like stocks and bonds would feel the pain.

"If you're in a situation like Mitt Romney or Warren Buffett ... paying a very low tax rate because most of your income comes from investments, you'll see a very large increase in taxes," Williams says.

All told, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center says 217,000 households would be subject to the Buffett rule. While the actual amount would vary enormously from person to person, those households would pay an additional $190,000 in taxes, on average.

Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at BMO-Harris Private Bank, says many of those wealthy investors would rethink what they do with their money.

"If you tax millionaires that are investing in, for example, municipal bonds, and they're enjoying the tax benefit of that interest, you could see a whole rash of investors moving away from buying bonds of our state and local governments," Ablin says.

Under the Buffett rule, people who sell assets would suddenly be forced to pay much higher taxes on the profits they make. Will McBride, an economist with the Tax Foundation, says many people would rush to unload the assets they hold before the law takes effect.

"If this tax were to go into effect Jan. 1 of next year," McBride says, "the stock market in December would not look pretty."

Over the longer term, McBride says, the law would do even more damage to the economy. Because people would have to pay more taxes on the profits they make, they would have less incentive to invest, he says.

As a result, McBride argues, small startups would suffer. "You don't want to heavily tax investment, because you're taxing the thing that creates long-term economic growth," he says.

But Williams of the Tax Policy Center says there's little evidence that higher taxes actually affect investment all that much. Williams says companies and individuals have lots of cash — but they're not using it.

"The problem right now is not that people don't have monies to invest," Williams says. Rather, he says, "People don't see investment opportunities that they think are worth putting their money into," because the economy is so weak.

Jared Bernstein, a senior fellow with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, contends that the Buffett rule could actually benefit the economy.

"A lot of very wealthy people spend a lot of time and money and effort structuring their income to take advantage of a tax code that's fraught with loopholes," Bernstein says.

Because the Buffett rule establishes a 30 percent minimum tax rate for millionaires, Bernstein says, it would be much harder for rich people to game the system.

"If anything, I think the kind of simplicity here militates against the kind of game-playing that we see so much of in our economy," he says. And, he argues, a simpler tax system would be good for the economy in the long run.

But none of that will happen unless the Buffet rule becomes law. And right now, there's little indication that Congress is going to pass it.

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STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

Now, the Buffett Rule would apply to the small number of taxpayers who get most of their money from investments. They are some of the wealthiest people around. NPR's Jim Zarroli looks at who would be affected and what it might mean for the economy.

JIM ZARROLI, BYLINE: The Buffett Rule is aimed at rich people, but not all rich people would be affected by it. Rob Williams is a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center.

ROB WILLIAMS: For high-income people who get a lot of their income from wage and salaries - the George Clooneys of the world, LeBron James, the CEOs - those people would not see an effect in the Buffett Tax because they're already paying tax rates above 30 percent.

ZARROLI: But Williams says wealthy people who get their money from assets like stocks and bonds would feel the pain.

WILLIAMS: If you're in a situation like Mitt Romney or a Warren Buffett, who's paying a very low tax rate because much of your income comes from an investment, you'll see a very large increase in tax.

ZARROLI: All told, the Tax Policy Center says 217,000 households would be subject to the Buffett Rule. They would pay, on average, an additional $190,000 a year in taxes, though that would vary enormously from person to person. Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at BMO Harris Private Bank, says a lot of those people would have to rethink what they do with their money.

JACK ABLIN: If you tax, you know, millionaires that are investing in, for example, municipal bonds, and they're enjoying the tax benefit of that interest, you could see a whole rash of investors moving away from buying bonds of our state and local governments.

ZARROLI: Under the Buffett Rule, people who sell assets would suddenly have to pay much higher taxes on the profit they make. Will McBride of the Tax Foundation says a lot of people would rush to unload the assets they hold before the law takes effect.

WILL MCBRIDE: Say if this tax were to go into effect January 1st next year, the stock market in December will not look pretty.

ZARROLI: Longer term, McBride says, the law would hurt the economy even more. Because they'd have to pay more taxes on the profit they make, people would have less incentive to invest. Small start-ups would suffer.

MCBRIDE: You don't want to heavily tax investment. It's because then you're taxing the thing that creates long-term economic growth.

ZARROLI: But Rob Williams of the Tax Policy Center says there's not a lot of evidence that higher taxes really affect investment all that much. Williams says right now, companies and individuals have lots of cash, but they're not using it.

WILLIAMS: The problem right now is not that people don't have monies to invest. The problem right now is people don't see investment opportunities that they think are worth putting their money into.

ZARROLI: That's because the economy is so weak, he says. Jared Bernstein of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities contends that the Buffett Rule could actually benefit the economy.

JARED BERNSTEIN: A lot of very wealthy people spend a lot of time and money and effort structuring their income to take advantage of a tax code that's fraught with loopholes.

ZARROLI: Because the Buffett Rule establishes a 30 percent minimum tax rate, it would be much harder for rich people to game the system.

BERNSTEIN: So, if anything, I think the kind of simplicity here militates against the kind of game playing that we see so much of in our economy.

ZARROLI: And Bernstein says a simpler tax system would be good for the economy in the long run. But none of that will happen unless Congress passes the Buffett Rule, and right now it's not at all clear that's going to happen. Jim Zarroli, NPR News, New York. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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