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Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, President-elect Donald Trump's choice for secretary of energy, testifies during his confirmation hearing before the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources on Capitol Hill on Jan. 19, 2017 in Washington, D.C. (Aaron P. Bernstein/Getty Images)
Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, President-elect Donald Trump's choice for secretary of energy, testifies during his confirmation hearing before the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources on Capitol Hill on Jan. 19, 2017 in Washington, D.C. (Aaron P. Bernstein/Getty Images)
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Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry has a confirmation hearing Thursday to become the next secretary of the energy department, which Perry, in a 2012 Republican presidential debate, blanked at remembering was one of the three federal agencies he'd pledged to abolish.

NPR science editor Geoff Brumfiel (@gbrumfiel) joins Here & Now's Robin Young to discuss Perry's hearing.

This segment aired on January 19, 2017.

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