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Our friends at the show "Death, Sex & Money" recently released an episode that features a conversation between writers Damon Young and Kiese Laymon. Some of it is about basketball. A lot of it isn’t. We think you’ll enjoy the whole thing.

And, just a heads up: there’s some language in this conversation that we’ve bleeped out — including a colloquial version of a racial slur — and frank discussion about sexual situations that we have not edited out. So please use your discretion.

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This program aired on May 9, 2019.

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