WBURMuslims And Jews Wrestle With Zionism

BOSTON — Among Muslims and Jews — even those who are close friends — there are subjects they just don’t discuss. Zionism and the Israeli-Palestinian fight for the same land are at the top of the list.

But a small, self-selected group of Muslims and Jews, who have been meeting monthly since November, decided they were ready to ride this third rail… for one meeting. They sit in a circle at Temple Hillel B’nai Torah in West Roxbury and begin with ground rules:

  • Unlike a debate, there is no need to prove ourselves right or the other person wrong.
  • Speak for yourself, not for others.
  • Engage by doing what works for you.

“And if it becomes emotional for you, feel free to get up, walk around, go outside for a minute,” offers co-facilitator Jeff Stone.

Among these 22 men and women, there are a few more Jews than Muslims. They launch their first attempt to talk about an issue that has divided their people for generations with introductions and a hope for the evening.

“My name is Merle Wolofsky. I live in Allston. I am a committed Zionist and I’m hoping that I can convey why I am.”

“I’m Amine Yakine from Malden. I would share with you how Zionism has impacted Arab and Muslim thinking and realities since the inception of the state of Israel in 1948.”

“I’m Claudia Harris from Roslindale. I am so proud that we are here, Muslims and Jews together, to talk for a whole evening about a topic that I have not spent a whole evening talking to Jews about because it is so painful and divisive.”

“So now, I’m going to record your definitions of Zionism, just to get some thoughts up on paper,” Stone says. He’s walking to an easel when Mohamed Khafif calls out “apartheid” from the back of the room. Several Jews wince, but they don’t challenge him — yet.

“It’s a belief that Zion is the cradle and nourishment of the Jewish people,” Wolofsky says. She and others talk about a Jewish yearning to return to Zion, the land that both Palestinians and Jews claim as their homeland.

“It [Zionism] was the hope of getting back there that kept us as a people together for 2,000 years when we had nowhere to come together, other than in our hopes and our prayers,” Wolofsky says.

“Jews and Palestinians have been traumatized by what we’ve been through and trauma usually renders people in pretty bad shape morally and behaviorally.”
–Marc Gurvitch

“Historically I think it was a belief in a Jewish homeland,” says Nachama Katz, offering what she calls a more contemporary, political view. “Today, I think it’s a belief that the state of Israel has the right to exist.”

“Zionism, to me, it’s a contradiction,” Abdellah Benchikhi says. “It’s allowing a group of people a homeland while denying a group of people a homeland. So if you happen to be Jewish, then Israel or the land of Palestine is yours. While if you are an inhabitant of that land, then by virtue of not being Jewish, then you are no longer welcome there.”

Larry Diamond says Jews have an opportunity, now, to form a new definition of Zionism that will acknowledge Palestinians.

“Both peoples in the Middle East absolutely have a right to a homeland, and the injustices that were created, which many of you have pointed out from 1948 on, are very painful to me,” Diamond says.

Diamond and his wife, Linda Chernick, say they were shaken by a trip to Israel in 2008 trip that felt dominated by armed guards and tight security.

“We were seeing the wall and I’m thinking, ‘This is not the dream,’ ” Chernick remembers, her voice shaking. “The reality here on the ground is so far apart from the dream that maybe we have to rethink this whole thing.”

Serena Shapiro says her struggle with Zionism and Israel today stems, in part, from her history as the child of a Holocaust survivor.

“I have this part in me that knows my relatives were slaughtered because they were Jewish, and they had no place to go at that time,” Shapiro says. “But I feel like Zionism has done a lot of harm in the world today.”

Adnane Benali asks why Jews who know the pain of the Holocaust would inflict so much pain on Palestinians?

“There’s a lot of upright Jews and a lot of upright Muslims, there’s a lot of power, there’s a lot we can achieve.”
–Group co-facilitator Zouheir Yakine

“They are going through the same trauma that you are trying to, that you are envisioning could happen to you,” Benali says, “but it’s happening right now to them.”

Wolofsky responds, arguing that Jews and Palestinians have both been displaced over the centuries, many times.

“There’s been umpteen people thrown out of their homes, it just goes back and forth,” Wolofsky says. “I just know that somewhere in this world I have as much right to exist as you do and to feel safe and secure somewhere, that’s it.”

Across the room, Marc Gurvitch weighs in on Benali’s question.

“I’m a psychiatric nurse by profession,” Gurvitch says. “When you look at a child abuser, what is their experience, they’ve been abused as a child. Jews and Palestinians have been traumatized by what we’ve been through and trauma usually renders people in pretty bad shape morally and behaviorally.”

One of the ground rules for this discussion is to talk about Zionism as a personal issue, and not to try to resolve the historic debate. But Amine Yakine says Zionism is a historic concept that will require a historic solution. He launches into a review of Jewish history in the Middle East, including discussions about where to establish a Jewish homeland.

“The idea of modern day Zionism, as it was elaborated and articulated after the Dreyfus Affair in ‘Der Judenstaat’ by Theodore Herzel,” Yakine begins. “He, in a letter to the leader of the Jewish community, I forgot his name [it was] in Odessa…”

Yakine goes on to describe political differences among prominent Jews over the years about Israel. Leslie Belay, from Jamaica Plain, says those differences continue.

“The real fight over Zionism today is among American Jews,” Belay says.

But Belay hopes to revive a definition of Zionism that will include peace with the Palestinians.

“So what should we do next, what are the next steps for us as a Jewish and Muslim community here?” asks Zouheir Yakine, the other group facilitator. He has an idea, based on the story of a leading rabbi who urged President Bush not to demonize all Muslims after Sept. 11.

“So, there’s a lot of upright Jews and a lot of upright Muslims, there’s a lot of power, there’s a lot we can achieve,” Yakine says, his voice shaking.

Some members of this group take up Yakine’s call to shift from talking about what divides Muslims and Jews to a discussion about how this group can unite as a political force. That possibility is the glimmer of hope some of these Jews and Muslims take with them as they close a meeting they describe as painful, frustrating, encouraging and difficult, but also, courageous.

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  • Jeff

    As co-facilitator of this dialogue, I can say that Martha’s report captures the essence and tone of the meeting. She’s a great reporter. Thanks, Martha!
    -Jeff Stone

  • Linda Chernick

    Great job, Martha.

    But one important clarification: my comment about “the wall” referred to the wall separating Israel and the West Bank NOT the Wailing Wall — an important distinction. L.Chernick

    • Anonymous

      That was an editing error, Linda. The post has been updated.

      • Tendrara

        Can you also correct the name to Adnane Benali

  • jeru

    Good article. But please remember while the Christian population is small there, not all Palestinians are Muslim. They should be included in this article and in the discussion. As seen and experienced first hand (as a daughter of a christian-palestinian with most of my mother’s family still living there), both deal with an amazing amount of discrimination that would never be tolerated here in the US. Ever. As an American citizen born here in boston, I am also harassed and seem to be paid special attention to when traveling to, through, and back from Israel. My experiences do not even compare to the discrimination and treatment of the Palestinian people there, as they endure this daily. This article is a good starting point. Thank you for shedding some light on a very controversial subject.

  • Arniekaminer

    you have people with no power to reverse history and no power to change the future, indiviudally.
    I personally am frustrted that the Arab world has not taken in the Palestenian refugees and helped them achieve peace and a homeland. Instead there is a bitterness ( jealousy?) toward the Jews and Israel. I read that there is an economic uplift in many areas of Gaza that are cooperating with Israel. Why can’t this continue? Is it because of the rhetoric of the Muslim clerics?
    Take religion out of the equation and maybe there would be peace.

  • Zouheir

    As co-facilitator of this dialogue, I can also say Martha’s report is excellent!!!

    Well done Martha!!!!

  • Bataween

    It’s a shame that your debate is built on a distortion of the historical facts.
    Arabs and Muslims have never always rejected Zionism, there was a time when they were ready to live with a Jewish homeland – before fanatical extremists like the Mufti of Jerusalem, with his
    genocidal rhetoric, took over.
    If the Israelis had not won the 1948 war, ans all subsequent wars, there is no doubt that they would have been wiped out. Already 860,000 Jews were forced out of Arab countries.
    The Zionists in this dialogue have no reason to feel guilty.

  • Eve1531

    Not All Palestians are Muslims!!! Remember Jesus Christ walked through the allies and the roads of Jeruslem & Palestine!! CHRSTIANITY WAS BORN IN PALESTINE. Islam came to that part of the world seven centuries later and it started in SAUDI ARABIA!!!! The people in the western world are so naive they only mention Jews & Muslims… CHRISTIANS still live there and in all over the Middle East.

  • Unamiduneamie

    Shalom Aleickum / Salaam Aleickum !

  • Hakkaoui Omar

    Excellent article, I must say that I’ve missed the best meeting so far I think

  • Siham

    I am very proud of both groups for their courage and candid dialogue. it’s about time someone threw the political correctness out of the window and talked about the heart of the issue. Thanks Martha for capturing what I consider a historical moment.

  • Reality

    The problem is brown Palestinians did not cause white Europeans Christians to kill other white European Jews during the Inquisition or Holocaust.

    During the Inquisition, Jews were killed by Christians. During the Holocaust, Nazis killed Jews. No of these events involved Palestinians.

    Jews with blond hair and blue eyes have no genetic link to Palestine and really are white Europeans.

    This is what the problem is with Jews STEALING Palestinian land – white European Jews have No Right whatsoever to any land in the Middle East – Go back to Poland, Germany and Ukraine.

    There are some (less than 1% of Jews) Semitic Jews who do have genetic links to Palestine. These Semitic Jews were already living in Palestine in 1917.

    Also, there is the HUGE problem that every Israeli PM has been a terrorist. Israel has founded on the killing of Arab civilians and British officials by breaking every international law. Israel’s foundation as a “country” is created by Jewish Terrorism.

    And all this is before 1948 – I am not even discussing what the Jews have done in the last 63 years.

    There is no defense of Israel or Zionism.

  • Daniel Ender

     Reality, I can understand your viewpoint, but it is simply wrong and anti-semitic. I don’t want you to think that we, jews just pop in the word “anti-semitic” to any attack or argument or as any escape. Let me explain something to you. I am a white jew. I have blue eyes and brown hair. On my father’s side I’m of Polish decent and on my mother’s side I’m half Russian and half Polish. Do you understand what causes diffrent colour skins throughout the globe? It is really the amount of sunlight. This is basic anthropology that you will hopefully learn in highschool. The following is a self-explanatory map:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unlabeled_Renatto_Luschan_Skin_color_map.pngNow, the reason I am whiter than my fellow Israelis is simply because my family has been living for thousands of years in Poland. My skin has significantly whiter than other people who have been in the land of Zion for longer time now. In fact, there are genetic studies to determine both jewry from your mother side, as well as your father side, and I am Jewish by both sides. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#GeneticsThat is a link showing Ashkenazi genetics, ashkenazi jews are pretty much Eastern European Jews, as you can read, we have the same or even more hebrew blood than any type of jews out there. Basically everything you typed is untrue, I am trying to be as nice as I can, but most likely someone would have beaten you up if they heard so much lies at once. Most Jews are semitic, if you’re Mitochondrial DNA has Jewish marks that means you are semitic. However, Israel does have a small percentage of jews whose mitochondrial DNA is not that of Hebrews, such as Ethiopian jews, however they are still very welcomed. Benjamin Netanyahu is not a terrorist. That is such a lie. He is a rightist, as Likud is a rightist party but he has never engaged in acts of terrorism. I can list you other jews that have however, jews are no saints, I’m telling you this as a jew myself.
    Now please… go to school and get some decent education, Thanks.

  • elishebabb

    The Quran states the the promised land is for the people of Moses..surah 5:21
    The Torah states that the suffering of the people of Moses is from disobedience.
    So..everyone just follow your religion & there will be peace.  Remember too that the religious lifestyle is based on agriculture…be  farmers.

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