Modern Love Presents: Sugar Calling

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Modern Love presents an excerpt of the first episode of The New York Times podcast “Sugar Calling,” hosted by best-selling author Cheryl Strayed (“Wild” and “Tiny Beautiful Things”).

Strayed says writing taught her how to give advice. In this moment of uncertainty, she’s setting aside advice-giving in favor of wisdom-seeking, and she’s turning to some of the most prolific writers of our time — all over the age of 60 — who’ve long inspired her for courage and insight.

New episodes will be released every Wednesday, available on, Apple PodcastsSpotify and wherever you get your podcasts.


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