New York Times media columnist Jim Rutenberg wrote yesterday that Donald Trump is testing the standard of objectivity among the journalists who cover him. He says journalists have to throw out the textbooks they have used for decades in covering politics.

Here & Now's Robin Young speaks with Rutenberg and NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik about the challenges journalists face covering Trump.

Jim Rutenberg, media columnist for the New York Times. He tweets @jimrutenberg.

David Folkenflik, NPR media correspondent. He tweets @davidfolkenflik.