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Soldiers ride in the back of a truck on June 17, 2022 in Kramatorsk, Ukraine. (Scott Olson/Getty Images)
Soldiers ride in the back of a truck on June 17, 2022 in Kramatorsk, Ukraine. (Scott Olson/Getty Images)

The war in Ukraine has entered a new phase, concentrated in the east, where Russia seems to be gaining ground.

Here & Now's Jane Clayson talks with Michael Kofman, director of the Russia Studies Program at the research and analysis organization CNA, about where things stand in Ukraine.

This segment aired on June 17, 2022.

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