Project 2025 needs a new front man after Paul Dans' resignation

Paul Dans resigned as director of Project 2025, the conservative playbook he helped write for the next Republican president. Assembled by the conservative Heritage Foundation think tank, Project 2025 aims to replace thousands of career civil servants with MAGA loyalists. But criticism from the left seemed to get on the nerves of former President Donald Trump's campaign. This week the project’s director stepped down, but the core parts of Project 2025 will continue without him.

Here & Now's Scott Tong speaks with Alec MacGillis, who has been writing about Project 2025 and its outgoing director.