'Soldiers and Kings' explores the lives of people who smuggle migrants

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UCLA anthropologist Jason De León spent seven years embedded with a group of smugglers moving migrants across Mexico. He tells their stories in the book "Soldiers and Kings: Survival and Hope in the World of Human Smuggling" which is a finalist for the National Book Award nonfiction prize.

We revisit De León's May conversation with host Deepa Fernandes about the book.