How do deal with the doomer at the dinner table

We all know that person who can't help but bring up their worries and anxieties at the dinner table, whether it's about politics, technology or some other heavy topic.

This "doomer" attitude is particularly common around climate change, and it can at times bring families and like-minded people closer together.

Host Scott Tong talks with Grist climate fellow Sachi Mulkey about her personal experience with "doomism" — and what it says about climate communication.