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How the changing world order may lead to a more volatile future

After a nearly 80-year period of stability shaped by the post-war world, the world order is shifting.
Here & Now's Scott Tong speaks with Margaret MacMillan, professor emeritus of international history at Oxford University and the author of the book "War: How Conflict Shaped Us," about how international norms and institutions are weakening, how spheres of influence and rivalry are developing, and what kind of new world order is emerging.
This segment aired on September 10, 2025.