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Trump is abandoning the American-led international order, creating a less secure world

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President Trump is remaking the international world order that has been in place for 80 years. The American-led liberal world order is over, says Robert Kagan, who is a historian, contributor to The Atlantic, and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

Kagan wrote the article "America vs. The World" for The Atlantic, in which he describes why returning to a 19th-century model will leave America less prosperous and the world more volatile and less secure.

Here & Now's Scott Tong speaks with Kagan about the changing international order.

This segment aired on January 27, 2026.

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