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'The Great Wager': Episode IV

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The relationship between China and the U.S. is off and running — and now the two countries are collaborating on secret, sensitive intelligence. (Photo illustration/Special to WBUR)
The relationship between China and the U.S. is off and running — and now the two countries are collaborating on secret, sensitive intelligence. (Photo illustration/Special to WBUR)

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The relationship between China and the U.S. is off and running — and now the two countries are collaborating on secret, sensitive intelligence. The fourth part of Here & Now's "The Great Wager" includes exclusive information about how Chinese and American intelligence officials agreed to work together against their common rival of many years.

Jane Perlez Host, The Great Wager
Jane Perlez is the host of The Great Wager, a five-part podcast series on President Richard Nixon’s historic 1972 diplomatic trip to China.

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Grace Tatter Producer, The Great Wager
Grace Tatter is an independent journalist and audio producer.

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