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Encore: Never Gonna Give You Up

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This episode was originally published on Oct. 08, 2021.

Who gets credit for starting a meme? Usually... nobody — they're made too quickly and organically. In the case of one of the most famous bait-and-switch memes of all time, the "Rick Roll," we may be looking at something experts call convergent evolution. Did the Rick Roll originate with a piece of code on the message board 4Chan, or with a prank call to a local sports show in Michigan? And why does the Rick Roll have such staying power? Is it codified in the DNA of the song itself?

We explore the meme’s origin, the history of the song "Never Gonna Give You Up," and its impact on both internet users during COVID-19 and on the performer himself.

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Ben Brock Johnson Director, Digital Audio

Ben Brock Johnson is the director of digital audio at WBUR and co-host of the podcast, Endless Thread.

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Amory Sivertson is a senior producer for podcasts and the co-host of Endless Thread.

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Matt Reed Sound Designer Podcasts

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Dean Russell is a senior producer for WBUR Podcasts.

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